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aeomaster32 -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 4:08:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: HighPlains

Only problem with the ultimate (good marketing decision in the name BTW), is that they are just too damn ugly. Not too many of the full size ever built either. Could it be that it was just too ugly?

Just one guy's opinion.

There is nothing like an Aeromaster. It rolls just fine on bottom wing ailerons. As I refered to earlier, if the top wing had been connected in anyway, I would not have survived a midair. The top wing and cabane were ripped out, but came away clean. I flew back to the field on bottom wing and half a propellor. Most other planes would have shaken to bits. I did post a picture of this earlier in the thread.



crashinator -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 1:28:30 PM)

you guys got me excited to do the build! i opened the box last night, and i warped some of the balsa due to un-controllable salavation!! i have only built 3-1/2 kits, a cap 232, 76"cub, sig something extra and half of a p-40, the kit appears to be a little on th difficult side but with help from my wifes uncle (who has been building for 40+ years abd has his own hobby shop) i hope to do well.
I have four strokes in my skybolt and my cub and have fallen in love with them, ill probably go f.s. on this one also ( sorry to bable on so!)



mcmike -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 1:39:49 PM)

you'll find that it's definitely a 'Builders Kit'. Quite a bit of Silver Soldering required, but that's pretty easy to master, and a lot of little pieces. The results are definitely worth it! You may have to Mod the engine mount area a bit for a stroker, but you'll love it! Good Luck, and plan on taking most of the winter to get 'er done!



Ralph White -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 3:03:26 PM)

Here's an update on my Aeromasters. I have the 3rd one I purchased that was hanging in a hobby shop in Mattoon ready to go. I patched and repaired all the hanger damage and old glue and hinge joints and installed a Supertigre 60 Bluehead in it. I plan to test run the engine tonight. Waiting on a new servo before I fly it. The other Aeromaster is still waiting for covering. Going to use Worldtex covering on it. I'll let you know how it goes on the engine run and 1st flight.
Ralph White, Neoga, IL



crashinator -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 3:18:32 PM)

Im thinking ultracote, white with red and blue stripes, and a magnum .91 fs.
No one at the field has a magnum f.s. and ive been curious about them, so i may have to try one!

I try to do my building/assembling during the winter months for obvious reasons, but theres nothing wrong with getting a head start!!



mcmike -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 3:26:55 PM)

the .91 would be about right... I had one of the magnums a few years back. It's basically an OS Clone, but may take some 'effort' to get it to run well. They don't have the power of the os, but would pull the Aeromaster around just fine. Take a look at moving the firewall back a bit, or you may wind up a bit nose heavy, which is pretty easy to do on this kit. I've had to add a bit to the tail on a couple of them, even with 60 2 strokes up front.

good luck! and post some pics!



crashinator -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 4:08:17 PM)

I havent figured out to post pictures, maybe by the time i start the kit i'll know how!



crashinator -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 6:20:32 PM)

Has anyone set one of these up with dual rates?, is it nessasary?



HighPlains -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 8:15:39 PM)

Mid-60's design, no dual rates back then, so no they are not necessary. But use them if you want to.



jagnweiner -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 8:31:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crashinator

Im thinking ultracote, white with red and blue stripes, and a magnum .91 fs.
No one at the field has a magnum f.s. and ive been curious about them, so i may have to try one!

I try to do my building/assembling during the winter months for obvious reasons, but theres nothing wrong with getting a head start!!


Crashinator-

Magnum .91 will be great. I had an old used Magnum .80 FS in mine. It ran great and flew great until I lost the covering on one wing during a dive, causing it to roll over and re-kit itself. I think I probably set mine up with dual rates, but it didn't really matter that much. I'm sure I always used high.

The Magnum was a bit of a shoehorn. The mounts had already been carved out once for a .61 2c, and I had to do more surgery for the 4C. The biggest challenge was the throttle linkage. The Magnum .80 had the throttle arm right in the middle of the back of the motor, and the fuel tank/hatch caused problems. Plan ahead for that issue.

It's a great plane and I hope to have another someday.

-Scott



mcmike -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/29/2007 8:41:48 PM)

You might be better off dial some expo into it if you're using big throws... They Will snap out with too much elevator! (yep... I lost one like that)



Ralph White -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/30/2007 5:27:08 AM)

I test ran the Supertigre 60 Bluehead on my Aeromaster this eveing. After setting around for 27 years it started on the first flip and sounded great until I removed the glow driver. It died almost instantly. Put in a new plug and the same thing happened. This time it went very rich before dieing. It has a Mac's muffler on it. I removed the muffler and the engine ran perfect. Put muffler back on and it would not run right again. I then removed the Mac's muffler and installed the old Dubro baffle plate muffler I used with the engine when it was on my Fliteglas P-51. The engine ran perfect with the Dubro muffler on it. Put Mac's back on and again it would not run correctly. Dubro back on and runs perfect.
I believe the opening on the Mac's muffler is to small (the end that fits against the engine exhaust). It is only about 75% the size of the engine exhaust opening. I believe it is causing too much back pressure due to the small opening. The engine also throws out a small amount of raw fuel around the front bearing and seems to run hot with the Mac's muffler.
I guess I will try increaseing the size of the opening so it matches the exhaust opening. I would like to use the Mac's muffler as the engine is fairly loud with the Dubro baffle plate muffler.
I'm going to go ahead and fly the Aeromaster with the Dubro muffler for now as I want to get the Aeromaster in the air.
Ralph White, Neoga, IL



crashinator -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/30/2007 12:44:07 PM)

it sounds like some attention will have to be paid to the firewall and engine mount area pryor to assembly, depending on the power plant. i realy like f.s.'s but maybe i should stick with a .61 for ease of construction............nahhhhhhhh!!!



jagnweiner -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/30/2007 10:58:28 PM)

You should be OK. It would have been a lot easier were I starting from scratch. Forgot to mention, I also had to carve out the "floor" below the engine mount for clearance. Another good fs choice that would probably fit well is a Saito .82, which is a smaller (and lighter) case than the various .91 4 strokes. The .82 would have plenty of power.



OzMo -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/31/2007 6:42:46 AM)

wow what a post![8D]
I have a crashed aeromaster someone gave me stashed for a redo sometime and lucked into a garage sale hanger queen that only had some hanger rash and a busted wing tip. it is so old the tires are all flat and cracked. picked up the plans off Flea bay. SOOOO now I'm hunting up a copy of the
building directions. anyone have them in a drawer somewhere? I would pay copy and mail costs.[:)] just PM me with your info.



mcmike -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/31/2007 12:51:21 PM)

OzMo

Which Kit are they, the Aamco or the Great Planes. Easiest way to tell, the Aamco kit has a wood engine mount, the great planes version has a flat firewall with a plastic mount. I've got both versions buried somewhere in the shop... PM me and I'll see what we can do.



crashinator -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/31/2007 12:51:21 PM)

OzMo, i have a brand new (40 year old) set of prints that i will make copies of, as for building instructions i believe all we get is whats on the prints plus a large sheet of photos for reference.

As far as the .82 saito i hadnt considered it, ill have to do more research!



OzMo -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/31/2007 6:03:03 PM)

thanks guys,
I have the amco plans (a copy) Aeromaster (too) I [:@]didn't realize the build directions are on those sheets [sm=idea.gif]
WELLLL the light IS on but sometimes it is WAY back there! I posted without a recent look at the plans (MY BAD) they've been stashed a while as this will be this winter's project. I'm hoping to get a pair of complete birds here one for me and one for another club member that likes to build.

SOOOO thank you, thank you. veddy veddy much! looks like all I really need is any tips you have that aren't on those sheets.

OzMo



aeomaster32 -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (8/31/2007 10:36:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: crashinator

OzMo, i have a brand new (40 year old) set of prints that i will make copies of, as for building instructions i believe all we get is whats on the prints plus a large sheet of photos for reference.

As far as the .82 saito i hadnt considered it, ill have to do more research!

No need for research. I have posted a picture of my third Aeromaster with the Saito 82. You need to read through this whole thread for information. This is the perfect engine for the machine. It is small, light weight andbeing a four stroke, suits the biplane.



OzMo -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (9/1/2007 7:06:25 AM)

these are my aeromaster finds
I also have a Bel-air 40 kit from ne aerodynamics I have not started. I know its history sort of...is it the same as a mini master?

I think these are great planes versions? or maybe one of each.



mobyal -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (9/1/2007 11:13:52 PM)

Great thread. I'll dig out the pics of my old (~1978?) Aeromaster Too and post them. I also have a NIB Andrews Aeromaster TOO kit in the shop.....



Aber -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (9/3/2007 8:31:15 PM)

I picked up an Andrews Aeromaster biplane from an estate sale the other day. It has never been flown but seems to be build fairly well. It has two 48 inch wings - top one is swept and the bottom is straight. I have no plans or manual to go with it. Can anyone tell me where the center of gravity is?



Ralph White -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (9/4/2007 3:34:13 AM)

Flew the Aeromaster I picked up at the hobby shop in Mattoon, IL today. This is the Black and Orange one in the pictures at my homepage. I had forgotten how great a flying plane it is. It flew perfectly and was a dream to takeoff and land. Had a little engine problem. Haven't got the carb adjusted on my Supertigre 60 Bluehead adjusted right yet. It is runnig to rich in the mid-range. After 3 flights I got it a little better but it still's not right yet.
Ralph White, Neoga, IL



aeomaster32 -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (9/4/2007 4:54:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aber

I picked up an Andrews Aeromaster biplane from an estate sale the other day. It has never been flown but seems to be build fairly well. It has two 48 inch wings - top one is swept and the bottom is straight. I have no plans or manual to go with it. Can anyone tell me where the center of gravity is?

Here is the link to an earlier thread about the Aeromaster:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_4560887/tm.htm

On post 5 you will find this information:

Configuration 1, 48" Top Swept, 48" Bottom Straight - 7/8" forward of the rear cabane.
Configuration 2, 52 1/2" Top Swept, 48" Bottom Straight- 3/4" forward of the rear cabane.
Configuration 3, 52 1/2" Top Swept, 52 1/" Bottom Swept- 3/8" forward of the rear cabane.

There are also a couple of other threads on the Aeromaster. I suppose the search feature isn't very good, but it would be nice if disparate threads like this could be linked.




Aber -> RE: Lou Andrews aeromaster bipe ..Any info ?? (9/4/2007 7:04:31 AM)

Thanks. Now I have another thread to read!



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