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RE: The twist is here! - 6/10/2004 7:58:56 PM   
kev_79


 

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Status: offline 		Too much engine. I have a .46 fx with 12.25x3.75 and it climbs out of sight. I have no shortage of power, and @ WOT, it's still, in my opinion, too fast for the plane. I think the saito .72 or .82 will probably end up being the perfect power plant for the twist, but if I was going to stay with a two stoke, a .46 is more than enough if propped right.

my .02

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/10/2004 8:23:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Can you hover with a .46 and then actually climb staight up out of hover... in other words.. be pointing vertical at a stop or even a little tail slide down.. then.. go straight up from there? If so.. Does it pull out of hover fast.. slow? I have a friend that has a .46ax and he is thinking about getting one too. Looking for a home for his engine. I got the ys63S for it myself.

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/10/2004 8:45:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		The .46fx ( I forgot to mention that I have a tower muffler, which is to me the equivilant to taking the baffle out of the original one) with a 12.25x3.75 will pull it out of anything, assuming you hit the throttle fast enough The downfall with the 2 stoke is that it does take a little longer to wind up to it's powerband. Mine has plenty of pull out from a hover, and I don't get scared when I get in an awkward situation b/c I know I have the power to drag myself out of it.

If it's fast or slow is a tricky one. It doesn't jerk it out of a hover like the ys 63 or a saito .82 probably will, but when it winds up, I would consider it fast going straight up.

When it comes down to it, it's all about how the power is delivered. You will probably get more actual thrust out of a .46 with the 12.25x3.75 than say a saito .72, but the 4 strokes thrust is easier to use.

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/10/2004 9:09:22 PM   
c016Y



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Status: offline 		Cool.. just making sure it had unlimited verticle. Thanks. Very good points on the 2 vs 4.

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/11/2004 7:25:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I finished up mine yesterday with a Saito 100 in the stock motor mounts. Weight is around 5.5 lbs. Haven't flown it yet- it replaces my ucd .46 so I have high expectations
Oh by the way if you have crashed ucd parts around, the ucd gear will bolt right on this plane if you enlarge the holes a little bit. Taller and wider

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/12/2004 5:21:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		OK, the maiden flight is out of the way. Carb problems on the 100 kept it short and high up. It seems like the surfaces have less authority than on the ucd, but 5 minutes probably isn't enough time to judge that.

I noticed something odd though- the wing fit on the fuse seems really loose. The rear bolt tightens down fine, and the rear of the wing snaps into place on the fuse. But the front rocks around quite a bit, enough that in flight the Saito's vibration was making some really unpleasant noises. Anybody dealt with/ fixed this? Or is it just part of the Twist 'experience'?

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/13/2004 5:30:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		How did the plane balance with the 100? Do you think it's going to be enough engine?

Can you post some pics of the motor mounted...I was considering a .91, but didn't think I could squeeze it in there.

kevin

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/13/2004 5:51:37 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: slagburn

I finished up mine yesterday with a Saito 100 in the stock motor mounts.

I heard that an OS46FX was enough.....your putting in a 100? dang. my maiden is tomorrow morning. Only 2 hrs of work a night for one week and its done (i got it on the 7th). Hope my 46AX is enough with a Tower muffler spinnin' an APC 12.25x3.75

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/14/2004 5:48:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well I flew the Twist for 2 days and am over it. It was just not a good flier for me. Now, this may be because the big Saito cranked the wing loading up too high, I don't know. But it weighed in at 5.5 lbs without fuel. My Ucando 46 was 6 lbs 2 oz, and the size difference was dramatic.
Let's see. Blenders were awful, knifeedge showed some promise. Hovers were rock solid, until the slightest breeze showed up. This plane does not like wind. It rocked the wings a lot and I had a very experienced flier attempting to harrier it around. In fact he had a Twist almost finished but is now selling it after flying mine.

Oh did I mention I broke it in half? I had a deadstick (rare w/ Saito) and on landing a wing rubbed a prairie dog hole. It kicked the fuse sideways and snapped it in half, right at the rear wing mount. There is absolutely nothing in there for strength, it is an extremely weak area. I reglued it with carbon strands and put in an angled balsa gusset before flying it today. So watch that, weak!!

As for fitting the Saito. Not much to it. I used the stock mounts and ground on the top/ inside to put a bevel to clear the engine so it would fit without spreading the beams out. Turned the carb over so the needle comes out the left side. Ground a notch in the cheek for the needle. With this setup I put the battery as far back as possible, balanced perfect at 5".

Don't know if the engine was the problem or not, but this plane just did not do it for me. I bet it would be better with something smaller, but the Saito was what I had ready to go. It does pull the plane vertical about 30 mph

Think I'm getting a Flip this week- is that still the good stuff these days?

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RE: The twist is here! - 6/14/2004 3:50:29 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kev_79

Does anybody know if there is a purpose for...well, I don't know what you call it. Possibly "counterbalanced" elevator and rudder. It's where the sides of the surface span the elevator and stabilizer. The Twist has them, but something like a su-do-khoi doesn't .

I'm still trying to figure out why horizon says you can do high speed runs with this plane, it just doesn't seem plausable without blowing somthing off it eventually.

kevin



Kevin

Counter Balances on a a full sized plane or a giant scale (if its actually balanced) are to lower the chances of flutter by equalizing the fore and aft weight of the control surface. On a plane like a Twist, it’s simply more control surface to deflect more air to increase the planes 3D performance.

Regardless of what Hangar 9 says, I agree with you. Counter balances on a .40 sized plane at high speeds are sure to cause a falure sooner or later. Happened to me on my UCD 46, It was NOT pretty. Just keep it slow and have a blast.

Rick

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Twist with an OS 46 AX? Opinions are Welcome - 6/14/2004 4:02:22 PM   
Heads_Up



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Status: offline 		Getting ready to buy the H9 Twist and was thinking of putting an OS .46 AX on it. think it will be a good combo? I am not one of these guys that likes to exceed the recommended engine size. I will agree there is no such thing as too much power ... however there IS such a thing as too much motor.

Awaiting your opinions and suggestions.


Rick

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RE: Twist with an OS 46 AX? Opinions are Welcome - 6/15/2004 12:11:13 AM   
kev_79


 

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Status: offline 		.46 ax is plenty of motor...mine has a .46 fx and it's a blast. If you don't just have the motor laying around, I'd save my money for a used .72 saito. This plane is such a slow flier, I bet the low end of the 4 stroke will make it even more fun to fly.

my .02

k

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RE: Twist with an OS 46 AX? Opinions are Welcome - 5/2/2006 3:17:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Twisters,

I have an OS .70 4 stroke on my twist and she is the best plane in my hanger, she does everything and more then you could ask for, the 70 is a little heavy for it, but it can fly at a crawl and does any 3D thing imaginable, Harriers are the easiest thing, knife edge is awesome and Hovers for me are getting much better, but the unlimited vertical from Idle on the runway to Orbit is lightning fast and incredible with the 70. She rolls about 1 foot and then I shoot her straight to the stars.

There is a whole 150 pages of twist info and combos from a bunch of us twistoholics on another thread,,, you should check it out!!! these guys have put the Twist through all kinds of combos and and they are very helpful too, I have been flying for 35 years and the Twist for $99.00 is a great deal, I hear allot about the Os 61 being the perfect motor for her, and that the .46 AX works great too I had a little trouble learning the hover with the 70 planted on her, but I wouldn't have it any other way, this plane rocks and is quite impressive at the field, you just have to give it a chance, everyone talks about the break right behind the wing saddle, so when you put her together just throw in some ply braces behind the former and epoxy it in, its just a real lightweight plane for ultimate performance.

Just go here for all your answers and join us in the Twistoholics club, its a blast....

http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=4228707

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RE: The twist is here! - 5/2/2006 9:49:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		What prop are you using? I have a 13x5 MS K series on mine w/magnum 70, but I think the APC 14x4w worked better even though it didn't spool as fast.

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RE: The twist is here! - 5/2/2006 11:11:34 PM   
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