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Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 2:58:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		Have you seen this 4times the fuel mileage how can it be done or is it to costly?
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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 3:07:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Coleman fuel in an ignition engine is nothing new or radical. Read the rest of the article on how he got the amazing fuel economy. Remember, his engine was ignition, not glow.


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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 3:11:10 AM   
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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 3:36:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		i burn coleman (kerosine) in my larger gas models, works great but adding some 107 octane boost is not a bad idea, since kerosine has an octane rating around 50-60. advantages are a slight boost in power, but more importantly for me at least is very little odor.

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 3:43:27 AM   
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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 4:13:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		In earlier times(50's & 60"s) it used to be called white gas. I believe it was a waste product of the oil refining business. I remember it could be had for about 10 cents a gallon. Was used in camp stoves all the time. FYI tom

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 4:40:45 AM   
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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 3:02:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		I believe Coleman fuel is essentially what they used to call "petroleum distillate" back in the olden days, the '40s and '50s. Farmers used it in tractors because it was much cheaper than gasoline, though the tractors required special carburetors and started on regular gasoline.

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 3:42:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		To my knowledge, those old tractors would run on this distillate without any modification to the carb. They started and ran on the raw distillate white gas. My dad used to make me use it in the lawn mower when I was a kid. By the mid 50's, the first run, raw gas became hard to get so he started buying regular leaded gasoline. Life got easier from a lawn mowing point of view. The B&S mower engine never did wear out but the rest of the mower did. The reason for the change is that, this last time, he was given mineral spirits instead of white gas in his 5 gallon can at the service station. The B&S would start and run on mineral spirits but just had no power. The mineral spirits didn't vaporize very well in the Coleman lantern either.

In today's time, with the catalytic fractionation techniques now in use, I doubt if you could classify Coleman fuel as just white gas? Though the flash point and vapor pressures are similar, that's all you get. Though liquid fossil fuel specs are pretty much the same, who knows what it is in actual chemical analysis? The octane rating is less than 80.

I see people using it in their gas model engines sometimes and the engines seem to operate fine. The main incentive for use is that it doesn't have a significant smell.

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/15/2004 4:20:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why are we all discussing the Coleman Lantern Fuel in the "Glow Engines" forum?

Can it somehow replace methanol as the main ingredient in glow fuel? Obviously not, because the glow plug will stop glowing, without the catalytic reaction of the methanol, in the presence of platinum.

It also has a much lower detonation resistance (50-60 Octane) than methanol, so your engines could be damaged from ping.

It does have more BTUs per Lb than methanol, but so do gasoline, kerosene and Diesel fuels and we don't use them in glow engines.

I think the moderators should move this (nevertheless interesting and nostalgic) thread to its more proper place, in the "R/C Fuels" forum.

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/16/2004 1:13:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		One huge disadvantage to using it in those farm tractors or any other engine was that it would burn the valves and spark plugs up fairly quickly. Also it polluted the oil even quicker. This is the proper forum to discuss it.

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 4/22/2004 1:28:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		shute man.........forget using it in the engines...................................i just use it to clean my planes.......I don't even have to barely wipe and EVERYTHING........EVERYTHING comes right off.............

BTW, I had some crap all over the wings, and with that other stuff people use...didn't come off.....but with the Coleman's......one wipe, and it was off.........I don't know about using it in engine....have never tried that......but I do know that it works good for cleaning my planes....

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 5/3/2004 10:58:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Coleman fuel is gasoline without any additives...pure octane (the chemical name for gasoline..an 8-carbon chain). That's what "white gas" was.

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 5/4/2004 2:43:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, Colemans fuel is naptha, a blend of hydrocarbons with a weight between that of gasoline and kerosene. Avgas is basically highly refined naptha with a weight overlaping gasoline and naptha. By highly refined that means it has very specific properties of vapor pressure, not octane. Avgas has lead to boost its octane rating. In fact it needs more lead than mogas for the same octane rating, although mogas now gets its octane from small amounts of alochol, toulene, and other distillates. To refine gas to one specific hydrocarbon would be to expensive to burn.

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 5/27/2004 9:36:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		w8ye, is totaly correct about older tractors running on distillate white gas. A good friend of mine just restored a 1940's John Dear 3 wheel tractor that had 2 fuel tanks, 1 very small about 1.5 gallon tank and a large main tank. The small tank was for regular gasoline, and the big tank was White gas. The tractor is started on the gasoline and than switched over to run on the white gas, you can start it on the white gas but its very hard in cold weather. The main reason was the cost and the white gas was much easyer to get at that time. He now runs the tanks reversed, Big tank with gas and small tank for White gas(Coleman fuel) and only uses the Coleman fuel to show people it works.

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 5/30/2004 11:41:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: iflynething

shute man.........forget using it in the engines...................................i just use it to clean my planes.......I don't even have to barely wipe and EVERYTHING........EVERYTHING comes right off.............

BTW, I had some crap all over the wings, and with that other stuff people use...didn't come off.....but with the Coleman's......one wipe, and it was off.........I don't know about using it in engine....have never tried that......but I do know that it works good for cleaning my planes....


Just dont forget that while using this stuff as cleaning fluid you are a potential torch.

jess

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RE: Coleman lantern fuel - 6/1/2004 7:35:58 PM