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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 4:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		The AX was clearly much faster.It reminded me of when the Nelson 15 came to Quarter Midget.Chuck lapped my partner in 4 laps. I'm afraid we no longer have a club "Beginner" type class.Well I guess we will just start another class. Put this class in the history file along with Quarter Midget,Formula 1,28 Size Q500. We just can't learn from history.We keep making the same mistakes again and again.

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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 5:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's called change Al, it happens all the time. What would you do? Run engines that aren't made anymore ? At least there only 100 bucks.

Let's say the AX didn't come out, you have a FX that's not competitve anymore, what do you do ? Spend 100 bucks right? What do new people do, try and find a motor that's not made anymore ?

As for quarter midget those things required too much work to be fast. You had to make props which took time. When the Nelson did come out you went from a 80 dollar motor to a 300 dollar motor, that was hard to take.

Now we have ARF's , APC props , bullet proof radios, plug & play racing. I think things are better today than at anytime before. It does come down to people. If you say the sky is falling people will look up.

This can go on and on with discussion, but change is still staring at us in the face. We must move ahead inspite of ourselfs

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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 6:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Splatt.... I currently have 3 46FX's, am I going to go out and spend the money on 3 AX's to replace them?? As a beginner, no I won't. All that would do is allow me to drive it into the ground a little faster. However, by next year or the end of this year there will be an abundant supply of used AX's on Ebay and at the field. As a beginner gets past the 'beginning' part of racing they realize to be competetive in the sport they may have to spend a little more money. With the discontinued FX, the AX will go where the FX had been. In my mind that makes things a wash within a year or so and keeps the standard class, well, Standard.

The nice thing about the standard class is that the little bit of difference between the FX and AX isn't going to help my thumbs be more steady or my timing any better.

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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 7:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		O.S. FX engines still fetch a decent price on E.B.A.Y. or here at the RCU Marketplace.

You could sell two O.S. FX engines and make enough to buy 1 new AX.

We obviously have to switch engines with the discontinuation of the FX, I think the AX is the right choice. The OS engines seem to be the most consistent of the standard sport engines. We could go with a TT, Magnum, or some other clone, but I doubt we will see the same consistancy with those engines. You would most likely need to buy 3 or 4 to get one really good one.

Not sure what else our options are, open to suggestions???

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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 7:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why don't we look at getting a few of those "off brand" and get some testing on them...I've got a 46 magnum, I'll throw it up just for the he!! of it. What would be wrong with letting a few different engines compete. Pick some and leave it at that.

At the races last weekend I couldn't really tell the difference in engines because they were all going by me so fast
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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 9:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I didn't say we should continue using the FX.Since it is no longer being made it would be Stupid to make that statement.My position is we should make this a true AMA 424 class and go by the rules AMA has.The time is perfect now since the engine we are using is gone Lets get rid of all the "Hometown" rules and go AMA Every year we add more goofy stuff We have muffler exceptions,Test flights,We have Two classes of flyers with no method of deciding who is in which class. Now this year we have two flag off's depending on the type of hinges you used Is that goofy or what? The stuff that really matters we don't bother about.We don't check the planes for safty concerns we don't weigh or measure them Last year we had the muffler opening for example. If we had AMA 424 rules people from out of town would not have to guess what kind of race we were having.The engine problem would be gone as any engine that met the rules could be used. You wouldn't have to get "Permission " from the CD Lets make It easy for people to get started in Racing

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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 9:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see what your saying Al, did you know 424 is run on a long course. We can't do long course at Grassfield. I feel running our class on the short course makes a excellent step on the way to 428 because the count to pylon 1 is nearly the same. Than those rules about RPM, what up with that? How fun would that be to police ? How common are 40's now as compared with 46's?

I think we need to show the rest of the pylon fraternity that there behind in the curve and need to change to what is being done by us. Or at least open the dialog.

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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 10:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		We do have a clear rule for determining who is in Standard. It just doesn't happen to be a very restrictive rule. Most who could fly Standard choose not to.
The "hinge" thing was someone's interpretation of the official rule. It was meant to give the ARF's a head start. The Predator and others don't have skinned hinges. The intended implementation was to identify the psuedo composites and let all others start on the first flag. By that interpretation, I would have let Steine go on the first flag.

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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 11:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Considering just about every racing organisation runs something other than 424, its not really the standard anyways.

We could be the flagbearers and do that, but I really don't think the momentum is there to all jump on the 424 bandwagon.

Going to the long course and 40 sized engines is something I doubt most of the local guys would want to do.

I personally have no problem allowing other .46 sized sport engines (NO TUNED MUFFLERS) as long as they do not cost more than the O.S. .46AX. From what I saw, I don't believe there will be a faster sport .46 than the AX.

I am not a fan of the new flag waving rule, or the flyoff for the season championship, but obviously enough people were or it would not have had a majority vote

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RE: The 46AX - 4/28/2004 11:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Going to the long course and 40 sized engines is something I doubt most of the local guys would want to do"

Don't mean to intrude on a local conversation... but in the East the majority of 424 races are run on the short course with 40's such as a TT40(dominant $70 motor) with a 9x6 APC. Plenty fast and exciting for both new and experienced racers and it just dosn't get much cheaper and simpler. What I see at my club is 20+ 424 entries every race compared with 8-15 (max) 428 entries on the same day.

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RE: The 46AX - 4/29/2004 12:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		The season ending fly-off concept generated a fair amount of interest which is why I pushed it at the meeting. Prior to that, the season title was mostly an attendance award with only 4-6 racers attending all races. I would prefer the old "drop one or two races" approach but this is an acceptable alternative.

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RE: The 46AX - 4/29/2004 12:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		The reason I dislike the rule is that a Season Title should be just that, a Season Title. Not the winner of the last race of the year.

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RE: The 46AX - 4/29/2004 12:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's another outsider opinion if you'll allow:

424 is boring to the point of not being fun on the long course. Fly it on the short course and it is a blast! The timing (the count from pylon three to one) is very similar to 428.

The 424 rules do have their warts; you'll get no argument from me there. However, it is the best we have for an ENTRY LEVEL event on the NATIONAL scene.

The point ALbert.S makes that out-of-towners would know what the rules are is very pertinent. You may just find new racers willing to come play with you all. Isn't that what we all want?

Your entry level event has evolved away from being an entry level event. Now is the time to make a change. Give 424 a chance.


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