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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 12:49:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Looks like the empennage group had the most influence on the twin, John...

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 1:12:08 AM   
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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 1:17:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, the results for Aero East, do they exist? Who won in the Micro class, I think this is a great class and was wondering how many teams participated and what the results were.

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 1:32:20 AM   
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Looks like the empennage group had the most influence on the twin, John...


Huh?

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 1:33:37 AM   
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micro class? or open??

Huh?

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 1:38:49 AM   
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micro class? or open??


Based on the descriptions of the classes, those both appear to be open class. The blue one is Missouri -Rolla, running twin Jett BSE Fire 60's. They also flew at Aero design West last weekend in Fort Worth Texas.

Of 7 teams in the West open class, I think 5 of them were ruining Jett engine(s) of some kind. The team I was flying for (UBC) had a BSE Fire 76L. We had some trouble with the mixture and bubbles, but overall its a really nice engine.

Kelly

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 4:29:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		How Many Micro class competitors? How did they do? Besides of course our favorite cart wheel EPP foamie...

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 10:38:31 AM   
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Looks like the empennage group had the most influence on the twin, John...


Huh?


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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 12:18:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, ok. The perspective in that picture does make it look like the tail is the major surface. Those wings were probably about 9' span though. At least they didn't fall into the too-small-tail trap.

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/27/2005 3:08:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The twin is a pair of jett BSE 60 engines - big props - real long pipes. Those ran pretty awesome on the bench. Hard to see their fuel system in the photo.

Second one with the red head appears to be a Webra 145 red head or a Mintor

Thanks for the photos.... I will have to get some feedback from some of the teams.

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/29/2005 11:32:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Has anyone heard a rumor of next years changes in design perimeters? Will they still have a micro class with such limited participation?

Is there a DVD or VHS available of the East competetion this year like there was from West last year?

With the change in location will JohnG still be involved in the event?

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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/30/2005 1:24:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		This is a little off topic, but I think some of the problems that show up in these competitions, i.e. fuel tank placement, is somewhat appalling. I attend the University of Missouri at Rolla. We are an excellent engineering school with top notch professors and research facilities, but I think this school has the same problems that almost all universities have, no true real-world application for the crap we are learning. As is apparent with the failure for proper fuel tank placement. I am a fraternity brother with one members of the heavy lift team and personally know 2 others, so I keep tabs on how they are doing. They keep it quite that 2 weeks before the competition the plane was test flown and crashed due to improper charging of the batteries. I can tell you that many of these problems could be avoided if at least one member of the team had the knowledge that most 12 year olds have, that have built and flown their own planes. What I am saying is that not one of the team members has real world knowledge of flying rc planes, but instead they rely soely on their classroom knowledge and often fail because of it. Maybe I'm just a little pissed since two years ago I wasn't allowed to join the team due to an "insufficient GPA" or since I've been in college for 7 years(long story). Anyway, I think us average Joe's out there could out-build the pants off these teams. The only thing is most of us don't have the funding to buy brand new JETT bar stocks every year for a couple hours of flight time. Sorry, off my soap box.
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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 4/30/2005 9:52:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		About Chuck... I find it hilarious that they didn't allow you on the team because of insufficent GPA unless it was under 2.0 just goes to show how ignorant they are. Anyways, when looking for a job, not ONE company cares about what stupid class you took or which class you liked the best. All they care about is can you do something practical, because everyone that graduates, well most that graduate, know as much as the next newbie out of college. Experience is gained by doing not reading a stupid book. Applying that book is experience, it requires you to actually think instead of memorize without questioning why you are doing what you are doing which is all those books do.


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RE: SAE Aerodesign pics & discussion - 5/1/2005 11:04:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mike--
One of the SAE guys at the East event was polling me and a teammate of mine about what we thought of certain rules. One proposal that has been talked about that he brought up was the idea of a variable geometry wing. The aircraft would have to pass through two vertical poles relatively close together, and taxi out to the runway and totally unassisted, spead its wings. My teammate and I thought it was a terrible idea. Teams have enough problems just getting a conventional plane to fly, let alone turning it into a F-14.

Chunk--
I too find it odd that these teams rely on their classroom learning to do everything. My team has been fortunate to have some RC enthusiasts, so it hasn't been too problematic for us. A few years ago, a team from SUNY-Stony Brook said they started the project not knowing anything about RC planes. They hung out at a couple RC fields over the school year to get ideas and to know what went into building and flying a plane. They ended up finishing quite well, especially for a first-year, three-person team.

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