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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/10/2004 6:03:36 PM   
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Thanks for the feedback! Got a first name to go by? May I ask what kind/how much flying time you have? I'm curious since you said you need a lot of flying time under your belt to get decent video. I hate to spend $1K on a training toy! I'm also a little leary of buying one off of ebay.

Do you think it would be worth waiting for rctoys to deliver the CCD camera instead of purchasing the CMOS camera? I'm new to all of this video stuff (and this forum) so please bear with me. What is the Blackwidow system? I've seen it mentioned in a few places. Is it a CCD camera system? Will the DF IV carry it or is it too heavy? Would that require the DF Pro?

Your last statement "Their are times I will shoot 20min of video to get 1-2min of usable footage." -- Is that because of the difficulty in controlling the craft or poor video quality or both?

Thanks again! -- Tony

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/10/2004 11:34:55 PM   
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I like the name of the web site, sounds familiar... He he he

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/11/2004 6:26:29 PM   
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well I pretty much settled on a Uni-60 electric from V-east
an M-1 Carbon from airfoilhelicam

this will be a two man operation

everything together is looking to be in the 1500-2000 range

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/12/2004 7:30:07 PM   
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I just wanted to push this to the top to ask if anyone has experience with the Draganflyer IV from www.rctoys.com. I read the RCU reviews on the DF IV and the Eyecam. Both received good reviews. I have ZERO experience with RC helicopters but have experience with RC airplanes. I'm looking for advice from those who have experience with the Draganflyers. Also looking for advice/tips from anyone that has made some money using the Draganflyer/Eyecam combo. Is the Eyecam a decent camera or is there a better alternative that will fit on the Draganflyer IV? I'm new to aerial video and this forum -- Thanks in advance! Tony

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/15/2004 10:22:00 AM   
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I use fixed wing gas and electric for my photo jobs, and make enough to pay for some of my crashed aircraft and other work. I would think I could get more "jobs" if I really tried.. There is plenty of people that would buy the aerial shots if the marketing was there to attract them. I just don't have the desire to go knocking on doors and such. Pics at www.rsnw.com/AP.htm

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/17/2004 2:41:16 PM   
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Wow! I enjoyed your photos and videos! I can't believe you aren't doing more since your web site content seems somewhat professional and not just thrown together. The still photos seem to be good quality too. Do you care to elaborate as to what type of equipment (video, still, aircraft) you use? Thanks for sharing!

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/17/2004 5:34:28 PM   
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Thanks for the good comments.

Video: tx is other brand 2.4gig 500mw with ademco 2FC1 camera board (1/4"CCD, 320 lines, 3.2 lux)

Still: is Aiptek pocketcamX and somtimes the olympus D-560. The olympus is more pixels, more weight, and more $$ so I only use it when I really need a good shot.

Aircraft: is slowstick (elec), ascent (elec) , and spad super floater (nitro)
The SS is by far my favorate plane to do AP&V with.

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/17/2004 5:57:41 PM   
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Hey! Thanks for sharing. Although I have to admit that I am pretty green when it comes to "AP&V". It's been over 10 years since I've built and flew RC airplanes (gas) but I'm finally getting to a point in my life where I can enjoy the hobby once again. During those years, I experimented with aerial photos because it was a deep interest of mine. I wouldve loved to tinker with video, but my budget and technology at that time didnt leave me with many options (I'm talking late 80's and very early 90's). I would consider myself an intermediate RC pilot/builder but the photo and video technology is much more advanced for my knowledge at this point. I'd love to learn more, but that's gonna require a lot of questions. For the record, I got out of the RC hobby when I bought my first ultralight airplane. I flew it for several years before getting my private pilots license. So I never strayed from flying in general.

One thing I noticed on your web site was the head gear. What's that for? I didnt quite understand the jargon about the photo/video devices. Can you steer me to a web site for this stuff and some good online RC suppliers? Boy do I feel out of the loop!

Thanks again!

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/17/2004 6:21:06 PM   
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The headgear give you the view from the pilots seat. RPV its called. (remote pilot view).

Check out www.blackwidowav.com , they have a ready to fly system that would work real well for you.. Stay away from the 1.2 gig ebay systems. Save your money for a good 1 time purchase you will be happy with ( and more legal). Your at a good forum for getting you up and going. You can also check out www.rc-cam.com for further reading.

Good luck, have fun, and be safe!

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/17/2004 6:58:21 PM   
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Thanks again! I've been to the Blackwidow site and have actually exchanged email with a guy named Bill and he seems very friendly and helpful.

I thought that's what the head gear was for but wasnt sure. I've also read some (albeit brief) about the legal issues surrounding the cameras. What kind of stuff do I need to be aware of?

One last thing. I took the plunge and purchased a Draganflyer IV with the Eyecam (CMOS). Even though I've never flown RC helicopters, I'm going to try my hand at the Draganflyer. I'm not totally new to RC flying but my only experience was with RC airplanes. I'm investing a good chunk of change so I'll definitely take things slow! Im hoping the Eyecam will give good results and www.rctoys.com is supposed to be releasing a CCD camera in 1-2 months. Do you have any knowledge about their CMOS Eyecam?

Thanks again for the tips and advice!

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/17/2004 9:09:55 PM   
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CMOS give decent pictures if the lighing conditions are bright and steady.

As far as legality, use the search feature and be prepared to read a while...

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/22/2004 8:18:46 AM   
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This is an interesting topic. I hope the discussion continues. I did want to make one comment about the gentleman who is trying to !QUOT!corner the market!QUOT! and doesn't want to share information. No offense, but I think that is a ridiculous attitude. This is a highly regional business, and unless he is planning to open a national chain of aerial photography shops there is likely to be plenty of business for everyone who put forth an effort. How is his work in Mayberry RFD going to affect my work in Austin, TX?

In my primary business (training) I have talked to lots of competitors. The ones that try to be secretive never seem to make it while the ones that are friendly seem to do well. Hiding from your competitors doesn't make you succeed. Doing your business makes you succeed.

Anyhow, I will tell you my story, all of it. I am working on starting an aerial photography business in the Austin, TX area. So if you want to scoop me and start your business before mine, feel free. You will just open the market up so I can come in and undercut you. This is not my primary business. My primary business is working as a software developer. This is something I want to do because it is fun, pays for itself, and gets me away from the computer.

I am new to the RC world, but have always been interested in it. I am planning to use an RC heli, and have been practicing on the sim. I have about 20 hours or so, and can hover in any orientation but nose in. I still have lots more practicing to do.

I've order the electric Voyager 50 shown here. These folks seem like they really know what they are doing and have been great to work with. The heli, camera mount, batteries and radio all together were in the $2000 range. I'm starting out with stills because I think there is much more of a demand for those. If I make some money at it, I will get the bigger gasser to do video.

Here is a Texas company that is using the same setup. Some of these pictures are stunning.

I looked at the draganflyer, but it just seems a little too wimpy for me. I'm sure it is easier to fly, but I want to be able to go very high and still be able to see the helicopter. I'm planning to use the co-pilot autopilot from here to help with stabilization. I'm hoping it will allow me to look away from my heli for a while to be able to concentrate on the photography.

Now, the liability is another thorny issue. I think it is very important, and if you start this kind of business you must incorporate to protect your personal assets. I can talk more about that if anyone is interested. I'm going to talk to my insurance company on Monday, and I will report back with my findings.

One final thing. Just in case you didn't know, a photo heli has to be electric or gas. A nitro heli will generate too much smoke.

There, now I have given away all my critical business secrets. I hope you all can put them to good use. When you get into six figures, remember the little guys like me.

Blue skies.

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/22/2004 9:43:43 PM   
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I am anxious to learn what your insurance man tells you. All I spoke to have told me, "any aircraft that is piloted, whether your in the aircraft or on the ground, is excluded from coverage". I pay about $2,500/year for a General Libility Policy to walk on industrial sites to work with wireless logistic equipment. This policy is very board, but excludes piloted aircraft. I started to look into a real aircraft insurance policy, but didn't get very far because of the cost and most agents laughed at me. The FCC looks at model airplanes and basically puts them on the same page as a duck or goose. In other words, if an air to air would occur, the full sise plane would win. I know this has nothing to do with air to ground incidents. Please post back what you fine.

ps. I really wish the AMA would add an insurance category for Aerials, but they are pretty well set on only flying for fun... not income.

Rob

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RE: Low Aerial Photo Businesses - 5/22/2004 9:54:02 PM