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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 9/17/2004 7:01 PM   
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Real or not? I will be in Vegas for the show if they are real they will be there.

I guess you didn't read back far enough.

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TNB,
We're planning to attend the "OTHER" show that happens that week in Chicago. I think Hobby Visions is in Las Vegas, right? I think it's kind of odd that an industry this small has two trade shows the same week. I can't imagine that many vendors exhibit at both shows. Maybe the west coast people go to the Vegas one and the east coast people go to Chicago.

Perhaps we can meet at next year's RCX show?

Roy


The thing is that there are also two RCX shows set for 2005.

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NEWS From Nomadio - 10/5/2004 8:48 PM   
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I'm glad to be back. Here's todays press release on "What Nomadio did over our summer vacation".

NEWS RELEASE:
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Nomadio announces delay in Sensor introduction
New RC controller product now expected to ship in February

Philadelphia, PA—October 5, 2004 — Nomadio (www.nomadio.net) announced today that its first product introduction for the RC hobbyist market has been delayed by several months, and is expected to begin shipments in February 2005. The “Sensor System” was announced in April at the RCX hobby show in Anaheim California and has received great interest from hobbyists and press since that time because Sensor eliminates many of the problems that plague the RC hobby, such as accidental frequency conflicts, race-time crystal juggling, and damage from loss-of-control.

Alex Gizis, Nomadio’s CEO said, “This summer has been a frustrating yet satisfying period for Nomadio. Because of the military’s urgent need for our GC-204 UGV control system in Iraq, we allocated all of our development resources toward completing its development. With the GC-204 now on its way to field testing, we are able to complete the development of the Sensor product line. “

Gizis continued “One positive by-product of this delay is the fact that we’ve increased our system’s range and reliability beyond our previously announced specifications. While we are extremely disappointed with the delay in getting this product out to the market, we remain committed to providing our customers with a radio control system that truly solves the many problems of today’s crystal radios. Nomadio is in the RC business for the long haul and we will not ship Sensor until the product is ready. “

Nomadio’s Sensor system includes electronics that provide the driver with real time feedback of the car’s speed, the battery voltage, and the engine temperature. Unique to the RC market, the Sensor radio system is based in software and its capabilities expand greatly when it is connected to a personal computer through its USB port. Unlike legacy RC radios which operate in only 30 channels in the 72mhz band, the Sensor system uses the 2.4ghz frequency band, with redundant spread spectrum frequency hopping technology that provides hundreds of virtual channels.
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Nomadio was formed in 2002 to develop and deliver a new level of secure and robust remote control and telemetry systems for unmanned vehicles. The company has been the recipient of numerous public and private grants and awards based on the promise of its technology. Nomadio currently addresses the defense market with controls and telemetry for small unmanned vehicles, and the hobbyist radio control market, also known as RC, with a secure radio control and telemetry system. Nomadio’s products are used by several branches of the U.S. armed forces.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/5/2004 9:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are you still attending iHobby next week? February release? I guess if nothing happens in Iran.

Since I am also interested in helicopters and haven't read this thread in a while, does your company plan to make anything similar to the Futaba 9C radios? Stick radio with lots of channels and options (including the option to be used both as a surface radio and air radio with a module change, a module change that should not be necessary with a Nomadio version since there are no "frequencies" per se).

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Nomadio Air Radio - 10/6/2004 7:35 PM   
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The plan is to get our surface radio product line out there - probably through 2005, and then apply our tech to the air market. The number of servos and sensor channels we support make it a slam dunk. By adding power we can easily achieve 1 mile range. We will need to do work on antennas because air vehicles need to work over 360 degrees of axis versus surface vehicles.

Would someone want a 2 stick radio to drive a car? It could certainly be done (it's all in software) but I never thought that would be a requirement.

The other group that would be well served by the "expanded" sensor would be the battle bots and other "renegade" developers who have contacted us because they need more servos and/or sensors. We'll be releasing a "developer kit" that will expose many of the features to developers with sample PC code.

It's great to be posting again - it was a long summer for me!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/6/2004 7:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		The reason I have been looking into the Futaba 9C airplane/helicopter radio is that it is my understanding that the module can be switched out for surface use, i.e. robots and tractor-trailer rigs such as the Tamiya King Hauler. If you get a chance, check out the RCU review and videos on the Tamiya King Hauler.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/6/2004 7:56 PM   
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Here's 2 Quick questions.

1: Would it be possible to ditch the 2 bit LCD display for an optional backlit 32 bit Active Matrix display, that if you wanted you could add on a
short range video receiver to receive a video stream from a car mounted color ccd with a miniaturized steady cam/anti-shake system?
(or just to simply display custom full color graphics overlayed with the usual data/info)

2: Not quite as Technical, from the mention of the release of a SDK with the Sensor, would Nomadio be agreeable to the Open Source community making add-ons & improvements/innovations to the Sensor's software, I'm pretty sure they would be interested.

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Would someone want a 2 stick radio to drive a car? It could certainly be done (it's all in software) but I never thought that would be a requirement.


Strangely most Europeans prefer 2 stick for everything, although the EU or UK would probably add on all kinds of crazy restrictions & demands.
getting into the European market I believe would be difficult if not imposable, there are just to many mega company's that have Govt sanctioned Monopoly's in Europe (mostly the UK)...

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/8/2004 6:25 PM   
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Interesting questions both. here goes ..

1) It might be possible but you'd have to be a real bit-head to reverse engineer all the electronics. Secondly, the cpu that's used is not powerful enough to update 3 planes of 8 bit color for a color display. So the anwser is technically yes, but practically, no.

What I would recommend as a workaround would be to get a suitable Ipaq or other palm type PC and run the Sensor in "telemetry dump" mode - then you can write whatever apps and graphics you want on the palm PC and all they have to do is display the realtime data that comes from the Sensor. You can then choose to give away or sell your cool Palm/Sensor app (great seque into your second question, eh?)

2)We'd love it if the open source community built on our work with the Sensor. That helps us sell more Sensors.

So far, we've had no problems at all with the EU on our products. We will of course have FCC and CE approval.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/8/2004 8:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		I just read this thread from begining to end today..Wild is all i can say. Looks like a killer product. From wild revolutionary tech, to conspiracy and intrigue..it was like a good novel! lol. Anyway, Nomadio, your product looks kick ass and ill definatly take a serious look at it when it comes out. I race at an indoor facilty in New Jersey, both indoor carpet racing and indoor dirt offroad track availible..sometimes i have intereference issues because of the indoor enviroment..even with my M8 so somthing new in transmitter field of tech is of great interest to me. Need a Beta testor?...fat chance i know but id thought id ask! Thanks for the info, later.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/11/2004 8:44 PM   
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New Nomadio web site - 10/19/2004 3:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		You are all invited to check out our new web site, which has a lot more information on the company and the Sensor. I expect to post photos of the actual finished product next week.

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Ps. the url is still www.nomadio.net

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RE: New Nomadio web site - 10/19/2004 6:21 PM   
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What about the 'FREE RADIO CONTEST" that you had us sign up for back when you first 'appeared'??? I entered, as did many others, then the contest was 'closed', and the big delay occured.

I hope that you still plan on honoring this contest & that you will announce the winner soon.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/20/2004 3:06 AM   
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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/20/2004 3:40 AM   
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A give away would go along ways to making up for the huge delay


It would be a make up for what exactly? Your expectations of what they should have already released? Their primary business is militay in nature and they are going out on a limb buy making something for the RC community based on their prior experience. They ran into a few setbacks...can you say "Iraq"? And "Military needs"?
Bottom line is, it is their business. Not mine or yours. If they never release anything will you have lost anything? I think not.
You have not gained anything from them so far except and Idea so if they never get their idea to the market what have you really lost?

I'm so sick and god damn tired of reading RC, game and business forums where people act like they are owed something extra just because the company said their new product was comming out and it will do "this or that". You're not owed a damn thing until you've bought it. If you bought a product the only thing you are owed is the product itself, whatever warranty is stated and the enjoyment you get from using that product. If you read about a product that is being developed but you have to wait.....and wait....and wait.....and wait....and all you can do is say "they owe us something".....

GROW UP, Life is not fair. Get fricken used to it. Whiners get NO respect!!


Sorry Desmo. I don't mean to single you out but I've totallly had it with the "I am a consumer and you owe me something even though I haven't bought anything from you yet" syndrome.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/20/2004 4:49 PM   
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Of course we are still going through with the contest - I have all the entries on our servers. we've been discussing drawing more winners to make up for the delay.

I don't think it makes much sense to announce a winner until I can ship the prize to him and get a photo of him receiving it. That's the nature of giveaways - you need to have the product ready to give away.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/20/2004 5:40 PM   
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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/20/2004 11:27 PM   
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1) I like the newer (final?) LOOK of the Tx!!!

2) Does the Receiver (OK..."transponder) need/use a traditional (thin wire) antenna? Something new/stubby? NOTHING??

3) Do you REALLY think it's a good idea to tell us lowly consumers what our dealers are paying? I have a feeling THEY don't think it is, though, of course, I'm fine with it.

Can't wait!! And note my post in the UE forum re. that new Spektrum thing....by the time you add the transponder & display, it's gonna cost a mint, weigh a ton & offer less...you gotta start formulating your "why we're gonna kick they're ass" strategy & getting out there with it, as it looks like they're gonna hit the street a little before you!!!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/21/2004 3:38 AM   
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A give away would go along ways to making up for the huge delay


It would be a make up for what exactly? Your expectations of what they should have already released? Their primary business is militay in nature and they are going out on a limb buy making something for the RC community based on their prior experience. They ran into a few setbacks...can you say "Iraq"? And "Military needs"?
Bottom line is, it is their business. Not mine or yours. If they never release anything will you have lost anything? I think not.
You have not gained anything from them so far except and Idea so if they never get their idea to the market what have you really lost?

I'm so sick and god damn tired of reading RC, game and business forums where people act like they are owed something extra just because the company said their new product was comming out and it will do "this or that". You're not owed a damn thing until you've bought it. If you bought a product the only thing you are owed is the product itself, whatever warranty is stated and the enjoyment you get from using that product. If you read about a product that is being developed but you have to wait.....and wait....and wait.....and wait....and all you can do is say "they owe us something".....

GROW UP, Life is not fair. Get fricken used to it. Whiners get NO respect!!


Sorry Desmo. I don't mean to single you out but I've totallly had it with the "I am a consumer and you owe me something even though I haven't bought anything from you yet" syndrome.


Calm down, It was just a marketing idea to get more interest back into the product. On this and many other forums some people have written Nomadio off as an investor scam. I don’t think anyone “owes” me anything. I think it’s great to see some change in the radio field. Although someone else has beaten Nomadio to market with a 2.4ghz system I think is just a sign of things to come. I can’t wait to see what comes from it all. Wait until the big guys get in on this!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/21/2004 4:17 AM   
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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/21/2004 6:17 PM   
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Calm down, It was just a marketing idea to get more interest back into the product. On this and many other forums some people have written Nomadio off as an investor scam. I don’t think anyone “owes” me anything. I think it’s great to see some change in the radio field. Although someone else has beaten Nomadio to market with a 2.4ghz system I think is just a sign of things to come. I can’t wait to see what comes from it all. Wait until the big guys get in on this!



Don't hold your breath for the "big guys" to get into this....

Futaba had their 3PM-FS synth radio ready to go LAST YEAR, right around this time. I mean, Tower was taking orders. But then they decided to shelve it because they apparantly had a boatload of 3PMs and/or 3PKs in their warehouse that they wanted to unload first Of course, I don't think they've started shipping it yet!!!

If they're willing to stoop to this on the synth radio 'level', you KNOW they, nor other "biggies", are never gonna make the leap to spread spectrum radios until they're absolutely convinced AM/FM is completely dead. Big companies aren't gonna blaze trails, they'll sit back & see how the REAL innovators' products are received, THEN they'll step up & deliver, offering more features at a much better price.

But in this case, that's YEARS!!

And Spektrum will NOT beat Nomadio by coming out with a spread spectrum radio first!!! They're offering a spread-spectrum MODULE that's not gonna offer much better performance than a synth module gives...maybe less glitching, but with top radios, that's not that big a deal. And it'll cost a LOT!! If you want the speed/temp/voltage TELEMETRY, you have to add OTHER modules/displays, which is gonna result in the heaviest, most un-elegant, unbalanced, power-hungy toad you could imagine...at about the same cost as the Nomadio radio, which, being DESIGNED around this technology, is gonna do more, BETTER, and be light, good looking (IMO), and just ROCK overall!!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/21/2004 9:05 PM   
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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/22/2004 2:21 AM   
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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/22/2004 7:06 PM   
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Futaba had their 3PM-FS synth radio ready to go LAST YEAR, right around this time. I mean, Tower was taking orders. But then they decided to shelve it because they apparantly had a boatload of 3PMs and/or 3PKs in their warehouse that they wanted to unload first Of course, I don't think they've started shipping it yet!!!


I agree with you there.. it is rather sad...
And now they are shiping the 3PM-TFS.. the difference between that and the 3PM-FS? Cheaper.. but the receiver is a standard futaba crystal job... how stupid is that.
Tower has them. No pictures.

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And Spektrum will NOT beat Nomadio by coming out with a spread spectrum radio first!!! They're offering a spread-spectrum MODULE that's not gonna offer much better performance than a synth module gives...maybe less glitching, but with top radios, that's not that big a deal. And it'll cost a LOT!! If you want the speed/temp/voltage TELEMETRY, you have to add OTHER modules/displays, which is gonna result in the heaviest, most un-elegant, unbalanced, power-hungy toad you could imagine...at about the same cost as the Nomadio radio, which, being DESIGNED around this technology, is gonna do more, BETTER, and be light, good looking (IMO), and just ROCK overall!!


well. yes and no.

Yes.. it's not the same.. and upgrading will create a power hungry monster ( as if my 3pk wasn't already
However...
I'm not about to spend huge amounts of money to switch everything over to nomadio.
The cost of the Spektrum is less than a synth module and reciever(if futaba ever releases one).
So Nomadio will lose a lof of business to people just buying the SPektrum in place of a synth option for their high end radio.
Not to get the two way communication deal.. but just to get the frequencyless convenience.
And, looking at the design of the nomadio (admitadly never holding one).. I don't beleive it will be as good of a radio for me as the 3PK due to it's lack of enough real time controls (vs. shifting through menus and changing settings)..

I do agree that the nomadio is an entirely new product that opens up a world of capabilities (imagine a electornically controlled break force distribution system controlled by the nomadio for 1/5 scale cars!!! but these two products will serve different market needs.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/25/2004 9:11 PM   
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1) The controller looks really spiffy with its anodized blue and red accents. There's nothing out there even approaching it. (I may be biased <G>

2) The car antenna will be something new, very stubby but it must protrude outside the body due to metalflake paints that eat up 2.4ghz energy.

3) Dough! Not a good idea, but also no real secret. I'll be fixing that right away..

We're glad to see a big company like Horizon "validate" the DSS/RC market with this entry. Their price point is very aggressive, and we look forward to competing with their product at races and in magazine reviews.

The history of high technology is full of "bridge" products that attempted to "scotch tape" new technology onto older platforms that were never meant to handle it. These products never last long nor to they fulfill customer expectations. Remember the Amiga "BridgeBoard" and the Mac "PC Card" that were supposed to make your incompatible computers run PC software?

Nomadio's Sensor is a complete white paper redesign of the RC controller function using state of the art DSS/Telemetry/graphics/PC interface/ergonomics. It takes full advantage of the 2.4 mhz DSS technology. It's software based. It can be updated via internet downloads of new features.

The Spektrum product is simply a "bolt on" DSS radio module. Nothing more. Since it lives inside 3-5 year old electronic designs from Futaba and Airtronics, it can never improve on the performance those units presently provide. In fact, since the analog output must be translated into a digital signal, it actually adds delay to the system. Their web page talks about Telemetry and other enhancements, but think about how that's going to work? Where is the user interface going to be? Wires going to another box? Taped to the side of your Futaba?

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 10/29/2004 7:15 AM   
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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/5/2004 2:56 PM   
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As promised, here is a photo of the finished Sensor. Quite a bit nicer than the prototypes we showed at RCX (I think). We'll be testing these around the country in December as the software gets finalized and tested. There are a few points I can explain about the screen...

This is what we call the "Driving Screen". This screen is intended to give the driver as much information as he wants, the way he wants it. On the left side is a signal strength graphic. The "MPH" and speed shows whatever parameter you choose to see in letters big enough to read across the room. On the bottom are realtime graphics of car battery and controller battery voltage. In the bottom corner are TX/RX packet flags. These flags light up to show you that data is flowing back and forth to your car.

I'll be posting some more photos on our web site.

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