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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/5/2004 5:59 PM

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This is what we call the "Driving Screen". This screen is intended to give the driver as much information as he wants, the way he wants it. On the left side is a signal strength graphic. The "MPH" and speed shows whatever parameter you choose to see in letters big enough to read across the room. On the bottom are realtime graphics of car battery and controller battery voltage. In the bottom corner are TX/RX packet flags. These flags light up to show you that data is flowing back and forth to your car.

That's awsome. Thanks for the update. Looking forward to holding one in my hand sooon

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/5/2004 6:26 PM

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Lookin good Nomadio. The satin texture of the plastic looks alot better than the early shots; not to mention the buttons look alot more finished. It looks as if they would be easy to navigate. I also like the low profile of the antenna; No more worrying about extending a long awkward antenna. The screen looks bright and easy to read too. Good stuff bro! Thanks for the update!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/6/2004 4:50 AM

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Hey guys,
As promised, here is a photo of the finished Sensor. Quite a bit nicer than the prototypes we showed at RCX (I think).

I agree with you on that one.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/9/2004 1:32 AM

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WhoMe,
The buttons I'm particularly proud of... they are molded into angles allow you to easily feel where you are without needing to look.

I can't wait to get them into your hands too!

Roy

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/9/2004 4:05 PM

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Please post a pic a.s.a.p. of the Rx WITH it's antenna attached.

I'm curious how it's gonna play out. You said it's gonna be stubby but will need to stick out a BIT above the body. Is it solidly connected to the Rx, or is there a wire connecting them so you can put the antenna where you want. I'm a little concerned about this...I think a rigid Rx/antenna connection will cause lots of trouble (car tumbles, antenna hits something, Rx is ripped off it's mount).

But then again, how would you mount a 'loose' (tethered), stubby antenna when all cars are set up for the same plastic tubes?

Just curious!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/16/2004 5:26 PM

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Ive said this before and ill say it again; i cant wait for this to come out. Last weekend i was at a fairly big racing event; and i was dropped from the main i qualified in because of a frequency conflict. The other dude had plenty of crystals but refused to change in hopes that he would be bumped up into the A-main. Consequently i said the hell with it and took the drop' no main action for me.

Nomadio..make sure that doesnt happen to me again!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/16/2004 6:06 PM

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Please post a pic a.s.a.p. of the Rx WITH it's antenna attached.

I'm curious how it's gonna play out. You said it's gonna be stubby but will need to stick out a BIT above the body. Is it solidly connected to the Rx, or is there a wire connecting them so you can put the antenna where you want. I'm a little concerned about this...I think a rigid Rx/antenna connection will cause lots of trouble (car tumbles, antenna hits something, Rx is ripped off it's mount).

What Antenna?

(read: the RX does not need an antenna).

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/17/2004 5:07 PM

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What Antenna?

(read: the RX does not need an antenna).

NOT TRUE!!!

Roy's already said it needs one, and it needs to stick out of the body shell a bit 'cuz certain paints block the transmissions.

He said it's short & stubby, not "traditional", but he didn't say how it's attached to the Rx and/or how it mounts to vehicles. I'm thinking it CAN'T be rigidly atttached to the Rx, as that's a disaster waiting to happen.

The Spektrum 2.4 gig module systems also use antennas on the Rx, and they look traditional (wire in a skinny tube, same length as always). You can see them in their new ads in RCCA.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/17/2004 6:24 PM

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Roy's already said it needs one, and it needs to stick out of the body shell a bit 'cuz certain paints block the transmissions.
He said it's short & stubby, not "traditional", but he didn't say how it's attached to the Rx and/or how it mounts to vehicles. I'm thinking it CAN'T be rigidly atttached to the Rx, as that's a disaster waiting to happen.

Crappy, it better not be a fixed antenna, that would be really bad (and heavy).

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The Spektrum 2.4 gig module systems also use antennas on the Rx, and they look traditional (wire in a skinny tube, same length as always). You can see them in their new ads in RCCA.

I could have sworn that I read somewhere that the spektrum didn't need an rx antenna, and if you look at all the dailted photos it doesn't have one, but in the spec it's an 8" antenna.
Oh well.
Here I was hoping not to have stupid receiver antenna wholes

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/23/2004 4:26 PM

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What's the problem with metalflake paint and 2.4ghz? Does it really absorb that much of the radio waves? I'll be one of the first to order this radio....

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/23/2004 6:26 PM

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VTL,
Metalflake paint absorbs 2.4ghz energy. It probably absorbs 72mhz energy too but not as much. The wavelength of 2.4ghz is only about 8 inches.

Roy
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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/24/2004 3:05 AM

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Wow... 2.4 ghz is only 8".... I've made a few shortwave antenna's over the years.... It's fun when a quarter wave is 60 feet.... Although I'm not into radio's as much as 15 years ago, I underatand fully....

Well, the radio looks good, home it works as good as it looks and there are many on us counting the days until we can actually have one....

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/27/2004 8:54 PM

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Wow... 2.4 ghz is only 8"....

The wavelength at 2.4 GHz is 4.92 inches, not 8".

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 11/30/2004 5:10 PM

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Hey Roy, when i are we going to see pictures of the transeiver. Im passing up a sythesized setup, waiting for this.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/2/2004 4:28 PM

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WhoMe,
I'm hoping to post pix of the transciever next week. I'm told we'll have the final plastic parts then.

Toy

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/2/2004 9:14 PM

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Cool, thanks again Roy; your attention to the forums means alot to us out here.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/5/2004 10:32 PM

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Wow... 2.4 ghz is only 8"....

The wavelength at 2.4 GHz is 4.92 inches, not 8".

Thanks for clearing that up.... I'm a shortwave guy... You know, 100' dipoles..... I don't knbow the equation off the top of my head....

Patiently awaiting the arrival of this radio..... I love new toys.....

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/8/2004 11:39 PM

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Nomadio, I didn't read this entire thread. But I am looking for current pricing. I think I read a post in mid summer that mentioned $650. I also read posts comparing 3PK prices that I though were a bit off.

My desire is to have a radio system that does not glitch. I don't care about telemetry. I also care about the tranciever costs, because I would need to "fill-out" other vehicles.

These would be my choices (for two vehicles) at this point.

1. Nomadio system + 1 extra tranceiver, $650 + $150 = $800 (Retail? Street?)

2. 3PK + Spektrum + 1 extra receiver. $320 -$30(Tower discount) + $160 + $80 = $530. (Street, Tower, Horizon) And I could probably sell the Futaba receiver (not used) for $50 to reduce the total cost to $480.

If all I want is glitch free, (preferable no crystal as well), why would I choose the Nomadio? Please correct my pricing if needed.

I do like what you are doing, but your newness to the hobby puts me off a bit. I will need to see reviews of the system that confirm that there are no annoying little "newbie" mistakes with the system.

Also this will be going in a 1/12 scale car, what is the weight of the tranceiver. The Spektrum says it is .40 oz.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/9/2004 2:13 AM

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No thumb dials? How do you adjust the steering rate on the fly?

The 3PK has two thumb dials, one for SDR and the other for ATL. So you can adjust steering and brake as you drive.

All this glitch-free operation and telemetry stuff is wonderful, but it doesn’t mean anything if the radio hinders my effort to get to the finish line first.

Might I suggest you send the Sensor back to the drawing board for a quick review just to make sure it’s a *racing* controller as well...and not just a high-tech gee-whiz controller.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/9/2004 2:39 AM

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That is exactly part of my concern with the Nomadio, it may not be fully developed for racers. Futaba, JR, ect have been evolving thier radios for years.

While I am totally for glitch free operation, I think the telemetry is just marketing bling. If you are a real racer, you can't look down at your radio to see how fast the car is going (and it is pointless to know how fast it's going anyway). And if you see that your receiver pack is going down in a race, what exactly are you going to do about it? How is telemetry going to help me go faster during a race? What information can the telemetry give me that is going to effect how I drive the car? And I am into electric, so engine temp does nothing for me.

I'm not bashing it, I just want real performance, not bling. And not for $800. Whoever comes out with a glitch free system for a reasonably price is going to get my money.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/9/2004 3:16 AM

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Motor temp on an electric motor is important. Its the difference between being over and under geared, the difference between burning a comm in one run or four. And battery runtime is ULTRA important in electric racing. And though you may not be looking at telemetry while racing; its definatly somthing that can be used while dialing your car in at practice; or somthing you can look at post race to see how well your batteries and motor faired. Im backing any new innovation, and personally jog dials or not the Nomadio transmitter looks balanced. I run an M8..love it; but somthing like this definatly needs to be looked at. Either way; its not out yet so i really cant see how anyone can say yet...lets see what happens.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/9/2004 3:37 AM

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This is from their website:

“Of course, if Sensor didn't provide all the features you expect in a top-shelf RC controller, none of this great stuff would matter. The fact is that Sensor meets or exceeds the specs of the top controllers on the market in every way.”

I don’t know...with no thumb dials and switches like other high-end radios, this claim seems a bit dubious.

I can see how the telemetry can be useful for the serious driver. I can envision sensors that measure a car’s bounce, roll rate, squat...all sorts of measures that can help tremendously in tuning a car’s suspension. You can put the heat sensor on an electric motor to see how different ESC profiles affect heat generation. However, all this needs to be recorded for review...not just displayed on a screen. The Sensor is supposed to capture its telemetry, but without access to the manual we have no idea just how much can be captured.

It would be nice to have more specs.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/9/2004 3:38 AM

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I run brushless, so temp is rarely a problem. After the race/heat I can and do find out exactly what is left in the battery and I can temp the motor if I want. I agree more information is better, but you just can't use it during the race (what are you going to do, pull over and re-gear it mid race?). That's what practice and heats are for. If it's a freebie bling extra, I'll take it, but not for $800. They seem to be implying that I can look at the display, see the speed of my car and that is somehow going to be an advantage to me during a race. It might be neat to drive around in a parking lot and see the speed of your car on the transmitter, but I need to see a very specific advantage that will help me drive the car better during racing. Right now I believe that would be a glitch/interferance free system, by far. All the other fancy stuff is great, just not a major selling point for me.

I'm excited about both systems and I hope that these are going to help us out at a reasonable cost.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/9/2004 4:48 AM

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I guess we will see. Keep racin, and Nomadio show us what you got!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 12/9/2004 10:01 PM

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GordonFreeman,
The prices you are quoting are all list prices, so the real street price will be significantly less. Nomadio's radio technology is being used by the military to find and blow up small explosive devices in pretty aggressive conditions (both radio wise and environmentally). The number one requirement they gave us was "glitch free" and that is what you will get with a Sensor.

If you had to watch the screen to get value from our telemetry, it would be a marketing ploy for the exact reason you describe. We don't expect you to ever look at the screen while driving a race. Because the Sensor is a "rethink" of the whole human <> RC car interface we put in other ways to notify the driver when things that he wants to be alerted to occur. You can program it to make any sound you want when any condition you specify happens. It uses regular windows WAV files, so you can even record your own voice saying "TOO HOT" or "LOW BATT" if you want. There's also a cellphone type vibrator in the handle that can be programmed the same way - "vibrate twice when motor temp gets to 350 degrees". The telemetry can be streamed to a laptop PC while you race and since Sensor is a full system, it records all your driving inputs as well as the car's performance. Additionally you can press a softkey on the controller any time to "Drop" markers into the telemetry stream which make it easy to spot events when you look at it later. In short, the telemetry is well thought out and we think it will help take the hobby to another level as people learn more and more about their cars performance, just like the NASCAR and INDY guys did when they first got telemetry in the 80s.

We are new to RC and your caution is well founded. However we studied the best controllers on the market for over a year while developing the Sensor and we were able to distill the best features of each one into the Sensor's design. Once the reviews begin to come out, I'm sure you will be satisfied with our design and execution. This product was extensively focus tested and at this point, I'm positive we have not missed any features or functions that you expect in a premium controller.

Finally, the Sensor is a software-based product so we will be doing upgrades that add features in the future. Once you add "brains and bandwidth" to an RC car, a lot of cool new things become possible. If you just want "glitch free", the Spektrum bolt-on product is very inexpensive if you already have a 3PK or M8. We think they will sell a lot of them. Our product is a real "system" with a lot of thought put into it, and a future.

Graystar,
I don't know where you read that we have no realtime trims. In fact there are 5 of them, visible in the photos as the red switches. The one next to the steering wheel is the steering trim (as you would expect), the others are programmable. And you can attach a sound to trim up/trim down so you get positive feedback that the trim was adjusted while you are driving.

Keep those questions coming! We're in the final chase here at Nomadio HQ.

Roy

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