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Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/27/2004 1:35:21 PM   
rlaxton


 

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Status: offline 		Hi, just found out about a new radio product:

http://www.nomadio.net/subsensor1.html

Basically it is a terrestrial radio that uses the public 2.4GHz band and spread spectrum technology to provide a bidirectional link to the car being controlled. Up to 32 servos, programmable via USB, 9 sensor channels (temp, speed voltage).

Is it just me or is this the coolest Radio ever?

Richard.


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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/27/2004 8:44:13 PM   
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I just want to introduce myself to the forum. Nomadio is monitoring and participating in all of the RC forums we are aware of, leading up to our first ship date, and beyond as a form of customer service outreach.

I can answer any questions that come up about the Sensor and of course will provide updates as they occur.

Roy Smith
Nomadio

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/27/2004 10:56:15 PM   
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WHEN will it be available? HOW MUCH $$ for a basic kit (Tx, Rx, maybe servos)?? WHAT KIND OF SERVOS does it come with/work with??

WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE....coming out with a super-cool new product with ZERO history in the hobby?? Don't you know that we are all sheep who only look at 3-4 brands?

Is this a far-off pipe dream, or about to hit the shelves?

WE NEED INFO...NOW!!!!!

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 12:00:56 AM   
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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 2:40:10 AM   
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The Sensor System will be available in Late June- Early July. We have not finalized pricing but I feel comfortable in saying that it will be on the street below $500. When considering this pricing we urge you to think about comparing apples to apples. Here's what I'm talking about:

a backlit Futaba 3PK + a Futaba receiver + 2 crystals + niCD batteries + charger carries a list price of $849. This package would typically street over $600.
A backlit Sensor + transciever + temp, speed and voltage sensors + NiCD batteries + charger will sell in the high $400 range.

Extra transcievers will be $150 list.

Sensor works with all normal servos. We're not in the servo business - you can use the ones you already have.

Nomadio has developed control and telemetry systems for defense purposes since 2000. Our products are in use in several branches of the armed forces. We noticed the gaping opportunity in the RC hobby market in 2003 and a division of the company is now charged with bringing Sensor to the market. We believe our technology will revolutionize RC by making it more fun. With Sensor, you just turn on your car and go - no hijacks, no crystals, no pain.

It's not a far off dream at all. There are several people on some forums (RCZone) who have driven the Sensor in one of our consumer focus days last year. It's real. It works. We're waiting for plastic from china ... : (

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=165549

At RCX, we heard over and over again that it's rare for new companies to come into the RC market and rarer still for them to have a disruptive technology that will obsolete a lot of the status quo. I think that within 3 years, you'll only see crystal radios used for the cheapie RTR vehicles and anyone who is serious will be using our technology (or similar stuff from the other radio companies - I'm sure we are forcing them to act ).

Keep the questions coming - we have a big education job ahead of us and the more people online who know the story the better!

Roy Smith
Nomadio

Ps. DrArmoMaxx - Nobody who has seen the Sensor in person ever said it looked like a 3PK. I'm sure you will agree if you ever get a chance to look at one in person. There are numerous ergonomic features that are present in Sensor that do not exist in any Futaba controller.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 2:42:41 AM   
Nomadio



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The link in the last message got auto-edited by the RC Universe. The web site containing the link is

www.
radio
control
zone.
com

No spaces.

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 2:48:16 AM   
Dr.ArmoMaxx



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Status: offline 		ok...i bought my 3PK for $310

i really like that sensor stuff

when would it hit the stores? if hear good things about it, and if i like it, i will sell my 3PK and get that (unless Futaba comes up with its own sensores)

so on with that radio i can control more than 3 servos?

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 5:28:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: rlaxton
Up to 32 servos, programmable via USB, 9 sensor channels (temp, speed voltage).


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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 7:11:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		that is kinda too good to be true, and a rc car is not a robot, what you gonna do put fighting arms on your rc car?

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 12:33:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		My questions are 1)How do you intend to get the Part 97 & Part 15 rules (FCC Type regulations) opened up to allow R/C control operations in the 2.4 Ghz bands? 2)When you are in the same spectrum with all 900 million telephones here in the states that are on 2.4 Gig, how are interference issues going to be resolved. (PLEASE be as technical as you want... I can hang in there!

Thanks,

Dave

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 3:47:22 PM   
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My questions are 1)How do you intend to get the Part 97 & Part 15 rules (FCC Type regulations) opened up to allow R/C control operations in the 2.4 Ghz bands?


I'm thinking this has been DONE, or there wouldn't be a new radio about to be released!! If you're gonna get technical, please link us to those "rules", as I find it hard to believe there ARE any restrictions. There are LOTS of devices using this spectrum, not just phones. Baby monitors,wireless cams/speakers/computers (??). I could see restricting the "wattage"/signal STRENGTH, but not the types of devices that use signals that are properly limited in range.

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2)When you are in the same spectrum with all 900 million telephones here in the states that are on 2.4 Gig, how are interference issues going to be resolved. (PLEASE be as technical as you want... I can hang in there!


I am NOT a technical geek, but I'm pretty sure it's the spread spectrum/DIGITAL spread spectrum that enables all these phones & other devices to work without interference. The Tx & Rx set up a unique "code" (and there are BILLIONS of 'em) each time they hook up, and I think it shifts constantly.

I'll let you two techs talk shop now, but all I know is that since cordless phones have gone to the mhz range and/or incorporated SS/DSS techonlogy, interference/crosstalk has NEVER been an issue.

Dean

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 4:53:48 PM   
Nomadio



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I queried our technical lead and here's what he said:

We are not an "Amateur radio service", under part 97 of the FCC rules,
we are a "consumer ISM device" under part 18 of the FCC rules.

The Sensor uses a number of technologies to avoid interference with
other 2.4 GHz devices. The Sensor is smart enough to detect other
devices operating in the 2.4GHz range in same area, and move to other
parts of the band. It also sends signals multiple times on multiple
frequencies to make sure that they get through even if there is
interference. Finally unlike any other RC radio it uses special codes
in its messages so that other radio signals on the same frequency will
never be mistaken for a command to your car.

Which is to say that we have it covered :-)

I think that answers your question. Let me know if you have other questions.

Roy
Nomadio

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 8:30:14 PM   
sgtstop


 

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SgtStop,
I queried our technical lead and here's what he said:

We are not an "Amateur radio service", under part 97 of the FCC rules,
we are a "consumer ISM device" under part 18 of the FCC rules.


That's a good thing. I wasn't sure how you were classified. Not enough info available to make an educated guess.

quote:

The Sensor uses a number of technologies to avoid interference with
other 2.4 GHz devices. The Sensor is smart enough to detect other
devices operating in the 2.4GHz range in same area, and move to other
parts of the band. It also sends signals multiple times on multiple
frequencies to make sure that they get through even if there is
interference. Finally unlike any other RC radio it uses special codes
in its messages so that other radio signals on the same frequency will
never be mistaken for a command to your car.


So DSS is in your bag of tricks as well. Logical enough having been in Comms with DOD.

Sounds like a good setup to me. Let us know where we can buy one... I'll get on the list.

Dave

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 8:39:14 PM   
Dr.ArmoMaxx



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Status: offline 		do u have pic's of the real thing, not animated? and i want to see what the sensors look like

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RE: Nomadio Sensor Radio - 4/28/2004 10:00:18 PM   
Deandome