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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/3/2004 8:07:09 PM   
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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 6:26:08 AM   
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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 6:40:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say that my club and I are generally disappointed in the way AMA handles their club recognition programs, mainly the "Mall Show Programs" and the "Leader Programs."

Our club recently participated as a performing act in a major full scale air show. We had everything that was listed (and more) as suggestions for things that could be done for a Mall Show program. The only exceptions were the AMA videos and hand out literature, which I said I would be glad to set up and put out with our static displays. We were told very blatantly that, "Since we do not qualify as a Mall Show Program, that we would not get the participant pins for the show." or words to that effect. The only other thing that we were missing was 4 walls.

I can not understand why AMA turned their heads away from us, especially an open public event such as this. The "Best of the West" event was held the week before us and AMA was there for that. It was explained to me by long time members of the club that AMA only caters to the high dollar events and high caliber pilots. They have no interest in us little people, which makes up the majority of their membership.

I basically told them not send anything and that we would represent AMA at the show. RCM was very happy to come out and set up a display with us.

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 6:41:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		What club are you a member of?
Who, specifically, blatently told you?
Who was the sanctioning CD?

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 6:47:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you an AMA CD? Did you sanction the Mall Show? What about the flying show? If you are not the CD, did the CD tell you to call someone?

Ron, which is it?

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ORIGINAL: archerry

I have to say that my club and I are generally disappointed in the way AMA handles their club recognition programs, mainly the "Mall Show Programs" and their "Leader Programs."

Our club recently participated as a performing act in a major full scale air show. We had everything that was listed (and more) as suggestions for things that could be done for a Mall Show program. The only exceptions were the AMA videos and hand out literature, which I said I would be glad to set up and put out with our static displays. We were told very blatantly that "Since we do not qualify as a Mall Show program, that we would not get the participant pins for the show," or words to that effect.

I basically told them not to send anything (video or handouts) and that we would not represent them at the show. RCM magazine was very happy to come out and set up a display.

It was explained to me by long time members of my club, that they (AMA) are only willing to cater to high dollar or high profile events and constantly overlook the little man (which make up the majority of their base.....)

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ORIGINAL: archerry
I have to say that my club and I are generally disappointed in the way AMA handles their club recognition programs, mainly the "Mall Show Programs" and the "Leader Programs."

Our club recently participated as a performing act in a major full scale air show. We had everything that was listed (and more) as suggestions for things that could be done for a Mall Show program. The only exceptions were the AMA videos and hand out literature, which I said I would be glad to set up and put out with our static displays. We were told very blatantly that, "Since we do not qualify as a Mall Show Program, that we would not get the participant pins for the show." or words to that effect. The only other thing that we were missing was 4 walls.

I can not understand why AMA turned their heads away from us, especially an open public event such as this. The "Best of the West" event was held the week before us and AMA was there for that. It was explained to me by long time members of the club that AMA only caters to the high dollar events and high caliber pilots. They have no interest in us little people, which makes up the majority of their membership.

I basically told them not send anything and that we would represent AMA at the show. RCM was very happy to come out and set up a display with us.


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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 6:52:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mr Jon R How are you??? How have you been???? How's Bob been????

Funny you should reply, thinking you're from Circle City. I thought you would be in bed by now..........

Corona RC Club, March Air Reserve Airshow Apr 25-26

I will not publically give out names however, if you are intersested I will send you all the emails with the names attached and you can follow this crap...

There was no CD as this was not a contest, but a public display..............

A-n-n-n-d, Yes AMA gave us the insurance coverage for the event and they knew about it.........

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 6:54:37 AM   
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I tried to delete 102 but could not.....

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 7:00:31 AM   
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You guys need to get a CD or two. The process is simple.

Mall shows and air shows are supposed to be sanctioned events. Only an AMA CD can sanction an event. Since it was not sanctioned, I am not too surprised that no awards were presented.

Check out the Membership Manual, and the first part of the Competition Regulations for more details. Both are on the AMA website

I will PM you my e-mail address.

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 10:38:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		You wrote - "Mall shows and air shows are supposed to be sanctioned events. Only an AMA CD can sanction an event. Since it was not sanctioned, I am not too surprised that no awards were presented."

Unless I was blind, no where in any if the literature they sent me, did it ever mention once, about having a CD or, having a mall show or air show sanctioned. And, again I will send you what they sent me. Why would they accept the "extra insurance money" for this event if it wasn't an AMA CD sanctioned event? If this is the case, then AMA really needs clean up their documentation and/or procedures.

I'm not an English major (just a lowly computer sciences major) however, how can you have a "minimum recommendation" for something that is a requirement? It's like saying to someone that, "It's a job requirement that you wear earplugs and a hairnet and I recommend you wear them or you'll be terminated..." It's really a requirement or condition of employment not a recommendation.... The person made a recommendation to prevent termination.

If I remember correctly, you and I went over a similar issue once before with AMA documentation and how it was worded, when I was a member of Circle City. If I also remember correctly nothing clear ever came out of that either........

Jon you really need to see what happened.......

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 2:56:02 PM   
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I will be happy to look at what you have. I PMed you my e-mail address, if you want to send me your phone, along with the other stuff, I will call you. I'd be happy to sit down with you guys and try to help out.

Actually, the issue we had was resolved at the field was resolved, although after last nite's fire, it may be a moot point.

Until we talk, take a look at this section http://www.modelaircraft.org/templates/ama/PDF-files/Rulebook/contents.pdf
with particular attention to the CD section starting on page iv

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 3:57:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I see what you are saying with the information you have sent me. However, I still see nothing saying that the the event has to be sanctioned or ran by a CD to qualify for the "Mall Show" Program or any other recognition program. I'm reading that sanctioning an event is for insurance, legal, safety and conflict resolution purposes only.....

Does anyone else see/read it the same as me? Or is there something I am missing?

Here's a good one... The date was set by the commanding officer for the full scale event that we just attended (i.e. like we have no control over the dates of any of the airshows we perform at.....). We want to sanction our event and Pomona Valley is hosting their "Best of the West" on the same weekend.... How does AMA resolve this? Give the sanction to the airshow team because they have no control of the date and it is a truely public event, or give it to the high dollar event?

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 4:01:59 PM   
archerry


 

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What did they do this time... burn down the shelter or the out house again?

I'll talk to Earl and Dan..............

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 4:06:07 PM   
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The Cerritios fire started about a half mile from the club. It has now burned about 14 miles toward Lake Matthews and has probably taken out the field. We won't be able to get out there for several days. The fire crews are using the area as a staging area to fight the fire.

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/4/2004 4:16:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: archerry

I see what you are saying with the information you have sent me. However, I still see nothing saying that the the event has to be sanctioned or ran by a CD to qualify for the "Mall Show" Program or any other recognition program. I'm reading that sanctioning an event is for insurance, legal, safety and conflict resolution purposes only.....

Does anyone else see/read it the same as me? Or is there something I am missing?

Here's a good one... The date was set by the commanding officer for the full scale event that we just attended (i.e. like we have no control over the dates of any of the airshows we perform at.....). We want to sanction our event and Pomona Valley is hosting their "Best of the West" on the same weekend.... How does AMA resolve this? Give the sanction to the airshow team because they have no control of the date and it is a truely public event, or give it to the high dollar event?

Hi Ron

Again, refer to the Membership Manual, and keep reading fruther in the document I referenced. The AMA protects sanctioned events from competition involving other events, in some cases. That is a large part of the reason for a sanction. The district has a Contest Co-ordinator whose job it is to resolve conflicts. After a period of time, a contest (includes Mall Shows and Air Shows, depending on the class of contest sanctioned) become traditional and has it's rights protected over newer requests. Typically, the Contest Co-ordinator will give preference to the first sanction recieved when one is not traditional. Since there are no CD's in your club and you have not recruited one from another club, you can not have submitted a sanction. It is all in the documentation. It protects clubs that put on annual events. Whether you might have recieved a sanction because there is not a conflict between turbines and an air show is a moot point if no sanction was recieved from your club.

Give me a call.

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