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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/5/2004 6:15:25 AM   
J_R


 

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While you are awaiting that three year membership mark, during the next 6 months, it would behove you to read the Club Recharter Kit, the Membership Manual, and the Rule Book (Competition Regulations) in their entirity and absorb the information they contain. The answers to 95% of the questions AMA members have, and those of CD's in particular, are in those documents.

Might I also suggest to you that berating a clerk at headquarters will not be fruitful. When she referred you to her boss and the VP, you might very well have obtained the information and assistance you were in need of, had you heeded her suggestion.

Since you have expressed a lack of interest in the pins, I will inform Rich. Should you, again, change your mind, you now know who to contact. I wish you luck in the future.

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/5/2004 6:21:13 AM   
FHHuber



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Status: offline 		Unfortunately... you are feeling slighted for not getting the pins.

Unfortunately, the correct way to do the paperwork to get those pins was not PROPERLY explained by whoever it was that mentioned it...

There is a proper way to do the paperwork... and they do send the pins when its done properly.

I have a pin... PM me your address and I'll send it. I don't have the funds to say I'll buy them for your whole club... or I would. Gotta hand it to J_R on that offer.

******************

You can hear good things about the AMA... you just have to get away from the RC forums and go looking for how they still support the "lesser forms" of modeling. (as if you can call some of the indoor FF models anything other than amazing...)

For some unrealistic reason... too many people that get into RC suddenly forget that you can fly a Delta Dart or a Guillows rubber model or a model with a fly glued on the nose to act as the motor. They forget that you can have the club go visit a school and help kindergardners build paper airplanes. They forget that you can find a 2nd or 3rd grade class to help learn about aviation, making some of thier science and math into a fun project....

The AMA's problems are caused by AMA members... because they don't bother to send input to thier VP's. They don't vote for thier local DVP, they don't vote for the AMA president... and then they complain because the same guy wins.... again.

The average modeler just doesn't want to do anything except go play with an airplane. But he's plenty willing to complain if the field needs mowing...

You want to hear good things about the AMA... help make the AMA better.

*************

You want to be a CD... That's GREAT! Most members don't want to deal with what that entails...

I haven't looked at the CD test... so I don't know how ambiguous it is.

My bet though... it probably presents situations that are on the edge of the rules, and you normally don't think about them being on the edge, so you see the situation and let it slide every week... even if its not correct to do so. Its probably not ambiguous as much as it is disturbing to see how much we let slide at the average club field. (that's my bet... I may have to take the test just to see if its the way I think it would be.)

Also... being a CD means doing some judgement calling. You are responsible for having all the models safety inspected (not responsible to do it yourself...) and your judgement is the fanial say-so whether a model flies at your contest. Its a bit of a heavy burden to have to tell a guy he's grounded for a hinge job you think is flakey... but he thinks is OK. (but its better than seeing the control surfaces fly off like I have seen happen to one guy...)

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/5/2004 7:31:29 AM   
archerry


 

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Status: offline 		Jon, Thank-you sincerely for the offer... however, why should it come out your pocket? I thought that was what AMA offer was......

If you read all the emails carefully and look at the headers, I was CC'ing the executive committee on all the e-mails pretty much the whole time, not just the director or clerk. So everyone was in the loop. Anyone of the Exec's could have jumped in any time and clarified or set things straight and did not do so............

I even wrote a carefully worded apology to the programs director thinking I may have inadvertently offended her and stated that it was not her that I was attacking, but the way the policy was written and being administered by AMA in general, which was also CC'ed to the Exec's.

No response........................

Mongo said it correctly, there were two concurrent events happening, the static "mall show" like display and the flying demonstration.... We just consider it and call it one event.......................

Mr FHHuber, sorry pal, the point is not the pins or the recognition. It's was the lack of being consistent, even and fair in my eyes...........

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/5/2004 8:26:40 AM   
J_R


 

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I see two cc's to one EC member, your VP. I see nothing to the director in any e-mail. The EC is made up of 14 members. I also see a specific request, by the clerk, that you address any fruther questions to her boss or your VP, which you did not do, but, instead, replied to her again. As I see it, this was your opportunity to seek help. By ignoring that request, you destined yourself to the written information as opposed to human intervention. Expecting someone to intercede on your behalf, without your request for them to do so, is not realistic, in my opinion.

Would you like me to write the clerk and try to obtain her permission so that you may post the e-mails here? It's rather a shame all can not see the exchange and judge for themselves, as you appear to want by stating you would prefer to air this here.

< Message edited by J_R -- 5/5/2004 4:06:16 AM >

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/5/2004 2:13:39 PM   
F106A



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Status: offline 		Hi,
There's nothing hard about the CD test, if you really want to pass it, you will. Like J_R said, it does require that you read the rule book and safety code and understand them. One problem I noticed in talking to people trying to decide if they want to be a CD is reading and understanding the rules for events other than R/C. Being an old timer, I flew U/C and free flight for many years, so it wasn't a problem, but for most members who've never flown F/F or U/C they feel it's an exercise in futility; since they're never going to be involved in those events why do I have to know anything about them?
The reason, of course, is if you want to be a CD, you've got to jump through the hoops that AMA has established to get the CD.
BRG,
Jon

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/5/2004 4:17:58 PM   
archerry


 

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Status: offline 		Everyone, this is now on page 5, soon to go to page 6... This topic started on page 4............

Thanks F106A... I will keep that in mind when the time comes... Hells Bells, maybe after this, AMA may not allow me to become a CD.

Jon, you don't need go to her to get the permission, I am willing to forward the same copy I sent to you, to anyone who wants to read what transpired. I want this to be fair too.... I wish the letters not get posted here as my full name and other private information appears on it.

Jon, When I responded to the last email she sent me; I addressed the email
To: the clerk herself
CC: her boss, the District 10 VP and a District 10 clerk
Please look again............. I did send it to the VP and her boss...... Anyone of them could have interceded at any time and I was willing to converse with them too. In fact, the District 10 clerk and I were having a wonderful sidebar conversation about a charity event that I was developing to replace the (now possibly defunct) California Marathon, hopefully beginning in 2005, when I am a CD.

If you read one of the email replies, I also personally invited them to the March Airshow event..... No response......
It's like some one flipped off the switch!!!

P.S. If you guys get burned out from the fire, I would like to welcome the Circle City club to come to our field until you get back on your feet.... We have our annual Fun Fly happening this Saturday May 8th that you might want to participate in or just come over for the day and watch.......

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/5/2004 9:45:42 PM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for the offer of your field, Ron. I was just out at our field, and the fire did just miss us, thank goodness. It also missed a few homes that are just up the canyon from the field. It was amazing to be reminded how well the fire departments work together. There were units there from 100 miles away. The firefighters had used our awning as shade when they had time to rest. Whew, did we get lucky.

Ron, you may want to change your RCU profile, since it, also, contains your name.

CC is an old concept. It stands for carbon copy. When one recieves a CC it is implied that, unlike the addressee(s), that it is informational and that no action is expected or required. Next time, if you are soliciting action or a response, include those in the addressee section (or to: section, if it is an e-mail) and you may get results that reflect your desire.

I am working on something else with respect to the issue here and will let you know if it goes anywhere.

Edit: Ron, I am sure that you are aware that the EC meeting was held in Muncie on the 24th and 25th of April, the same day you invited the subjects (adressee, or cc: ) of your letters to Riverside. Did you really expect them to be there or are you just kidding? When I read that, I had assumed it was a complimentary invitation and not a serious one.

< Message edited by J_R -- 5/5/2004 5:01:18 PM >

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/5/2004 11:44:12 PM   
archerry


 

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Status: offline 		First, I appologize for spelling your name incorrectly, Jean... Is that French and do you pronounce it so or use the English? I did not know that until I read it in another post.

No, I was not aware that there was an EC meeting during that weekend. I wanted to add that all this transpired at least 3 weeks before the EC meeting anyway, so that is a moot point anyway....................

The invitation to AMA was sincere. I also invited RCM magazine and the were able to come on the Saturday. I really would have liked to see someone there from AMA, as they are an integral part of model aviation...

Thank-you for the lesson on emails... Being a communications engineer (retired) for the Army, I always thought that I am talking directly TO: you and inviting/informing/CC'ing others to join in the conversation. At least that's what happens when I email someone at work...I get replies from those I've CC'ed....

Anyway, this discussion is beginning to lose it's perspective... Are you trying to wear me out??? Let's refocus...........

The Question/Topic of this forum is: What is your opinion of AMA? My answer is: After what just happened and seeing it for myself, POOR, and I'm not the only one that feels this way...
My NEW Question/Topic is: How can we change this opinion of AMA and heal these bad feelings.
No one dare ask this question without seeking a satisfactory solution....................

I see that there is a similar forum with a similar event going on with questions being asked.......... Very interesting.........

< Message edited by archerry -- 5/6/2004 12:41:36 AM >

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/7/2004 6:19:21 AM   
archerry


 

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Status: offline 		Well, Well, Well..... It's been almost 24 hrs since my last post and there has not been any reply from the AMA advocates.

Hummmmmm....... It looks like the switch was turned off here too......

I guess that makes me more right.......... B-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O............

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/26/2004 6:00:03 PM   
chopper j


 

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the club i was in had a simmilar problem with the AMA. can you send me your corespondence with them i would be very interested in seeing them. thanks

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/27/2004 9:11:10 AM   
Carl-RCU


 

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Status: offline 		Well here we go,
Archerry is speaking for himself not his Club. Just as Dave Brown speaks for AMA the President of Archerry Club will speak for the Club that is what the memership voted him in to do. Yes the Club archerry is in does a lot of extra stuff But the President of his club Does these extra events because he feels its the right thing to do for him and his Club and his Sport. NOT TO GET PINS OR KUDOS FROM ANYONE. If someone from AMA or anywhere ells for that matter said you guys did a great job.That would be nice BUT if it doesn't happen that's fine because the President and the Club archerry belongs to will continue to go out and talk to teachers parents public officials and Kids to teach them enlighten them about model aviation every chance they get. archerrys opinions are just that HIS. The President and other Officers from the Club archerry belongs to have not given up on AMA as he stated esrlier. If archerry wishes to speak for his Club he needs to hold the posistion of Pesident or go in front of the membership and ask to speak for them WHICH HE DID NOT. If the President had a problem with AMA regarding his Club he would have Called AMA HQ and talked to them dirrect. Not on RCU. AMA has done a lot of good could they improve most likely. Of course we can all improve. And I believe the people at AMA are doing the best that they can for ALL OF US.

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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/30/2004 1:04:56 PM   
esweber



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RE: What's your opinion on the AMA? - 5/30/2004 2:34:52 PM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		It's a long thread. You need to be a little more specific.

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