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- 6/28/2002 11:00:38 PM   
Hubb


 

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- 6/28/2002 11:05:30 PM   
wgeffon



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by visioneer_one
I can see this thread going nowhere positive [/QUOTE]


It never does.....


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- 6/28/2002 11:06:33 PM   
Ed


 

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Status: offline 		This entire issue has evolved because there are some people out there who fly irresponsibly at sanctioned events. If we had policed ourselves right along, it would not have become an issue. YOU BLEW IT GUYS ! And now, since you were unable to do it yourself, the AMA is going to take steps to do it for you.

Threads like this are good because it creates an awareness, and just maybe some of the awareness will filter down to the people who need it, including some RCU moderators who never fly beyond their own field. You've got to get out and around guys, or you will never see the problem.

The problem is not with the guy who wants hover while he has the field to himself, it's with the discourteous and irresponsible, who want to hog center stage, and put others in jeopardy.

Once again, it's a good thread. Lets keep it civil.

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- 6/28/2002 11:19:17 PM   
wgeffon



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Jim Lynch
The problem is not with the guy who wants hover while he has the field to himself, it's with the discourteous and irresponsible, who want to hog center stage, and put others in jeopardy.

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Jim,

I am sure you know that doesnt just apply to hovering. You've been to enough events to see people buzzing the field every 10 seconds with a large gasser going full throttle. Its the same thing.

As I have said many many times, its about courtesy..


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- 6/29/2002 12:12:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		How can a thread about making your airplane act like a helicopter go anywhere positive? Sorry, just don't see the excitement. As a demo...fine. Because, to a spectator, is spectacular to see for the first time. But to be subjected to that constantly while flying, nothing could be more annoying.
Build it scale, fly it scale. Now that's something everybody loves. Everybody knows that low fast passes, with the maximum view of the aircraft, is probably in the repertoire of every pilot. Having to forego doing it because someone spends your whole flight hogging flightline airspace is a little more than annoying. Set aside time for all torquerollers to do their thing. Noone wants to prevent you from doing it. Just all of you do it together and get it out of the way so that the rest can fly their airplanes like, well...AIRPLANES.
My $.04 (inflation)

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- 6/29/2002 12:20:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		the beat goes on. :

Once more round the circuit.
Oh look, another low fast pass, how thrilling!
Such skill!
Wish I could do that.

and so it devolves. :

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"My $.04 (inflation)" - 6/29/2002 12:33:23 AM   
Hubb


 

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wherether we go round and round is irrelevent. once we reach the right people with these discussions, maybe we wont have to go round and round anymore.

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- 6/29/2002 12:41:24 AM   
SDCrashmaster



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Status: offline 		It's not a skill issue at all...and you know exactly what I'm talking about.

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- 6/29/2002 5:21:07 AM   
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Keep em fly'in, John


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- 6/29/2002 5:39:12 AM   
Cyclic Hardover



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Status: offline 		One of our main rules is "No aerobatics over the runway." You can move out a little ways but not over the runway. it is for takeoffs, landings or flyby. Somebody hovers their chopper out their and another guy comes by and blows it out, Hey Mr chopper man owes him a plane.

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Hovering - 6/29/2002 7:21:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Guy's, my understanding of the topic area that is under consideration is a few instances where while the aircraft was in a hovering position, a person walks up to the plane and holds the tail of the plane, I don't think the AMA is trying to ban hovering at all..........Bud

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- 6/29/2002 7:43:39 AM   
Brokenprop


 

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Status: offline 		I hear this argument about the electric fliers doing their thing in a 100 foot cube. I hear it about the heli's. I hear it about the hot dogs. I hear it about the high speed low passes. I hear it about the pylon practicers and the combat fliers. I hear it about the Jets. And lets not forget the gliders and the park fliers.

The only thing that really bothers me is the sound of an engine headed right for my head when I'm trying to fly my own hazardous device.

All of these sportsmen have something to teach me. I'm not jealous, I wish I could do that. And you know what? It's amazing how willing most of these people are to help you to learn, if you ask.

I get a big thrill watching a talented pilot do things that are difficult. If I feel uncomfortable flying at the same time, I just park myself on a convenient bench and enjoy the potential devastation...er...show.

Today we watched in anticipation as two clowns did counter laps about 2 feet off the pad. That gave them two chances every time around for a midair and two chances per lap to smack each other in the head. If anything had happened, there wouldn't have been a dry eye at the field, and I don't mean from crying. They got bored after a couple of flights and left. Then the rest of us could fly. Pretty entertaining for the price of admission. And quite unsafe.

There is a lot of air and a lot of time in a day at the field. A little timing usually nets you a space free of targets. If you get some jerk who won't go away, few of us are too shy to say something. As the guys are fond of saying after an altercation, you can just feel the love. I think what we need is more tolerance. (And a really nasty safety officer) We even stopped flying for 15 min. one day, to let a guy shoot an inflated giant rocket. Everyone liked it.

Sometimes we are like the birds on my feeder. They get so mad at each other over where everyone gets to sit, that none of them get anything to eat.

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- 6/29/2002 7:46:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Brokenprop

Sometimes we are like the birds on my feeder. They get so mad at each other over where everyone gets to sit, that none of them get anything to eat. [/QUOTE]


Perfect!


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- 6/29/2002 7:50:15 AM   
Taildrager


 

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Status: offline 		I apologize to any one that was inflamed by my post, sorry it was not within the guidelines of RCU, but was my poor attempt at a little humor to lighten up the overreaction of some posts of the subject at hand. I would love to be able to hover any place on the field, and someday hope to make a low level pass with a war bird. I guess I will now be in the Mods penalty box for a while.

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- 6/29/2002 10:02:53 AM   
sideshow



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Another hovering post....I guess it will raise some awarness....or raise something. We have 11/2 people at our field that can actually do it...me being the half. The other whole person is pretty courteous and does it away from the runway so that others may land if they wish.

Crashmaster....scale flight is not exciting nor very possible with our models. The most scale flight would be an aerobatic model in an aerobatic box......which is pretty cool. A 1/6 scale P-47 doing low-pass after low-pass in 600' isn't really scale. The warbird guys love it...I kinda like it too...but it's not scale. A scale warbird flight would be to take off, fly straight and level for three hours, do some turning and shooting for ten minutes, then fly home, straight and level, for three more hours, then do a low break to land. Its just not possible with a model.

Hovering a model is very difficult, doing a low pass isn't. However, either one becomes tedious if that's all you see. The 3D guys need to be courteous, the warbird guys need to be tolerant.

They are really just model airplanes guys, everybody can enjoy at the same time.

Bob

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- 6/29/2002 10:43:57 AM