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seagull models - 5/7/2004 3:30:05 AM   
kirkjohn



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From: brooks, AB, CANADA
Status: offline 		Hi There everyone. My name is Kirk, and I live in Canada. I am fairly new to this wonderfull sport, I taught myself to fly 2 years ago and haven't stopped, I love it and am sure it will be a lifetime interest. Recently, I decided to buy my first ARF, and being very passionate about the warbirds, I decided on a corsair F4U. I worked avidly, every spare moment, but seemed to run into trouble at every turn. After showing my kit to a local oldtimer of the sport he assured me that the troubles i was having were not the fault of my own, it was however of the inferior kit I had selected. Seagull Models apparently is not a top rated Arf in the small circle of flyers in my area, and no longer with me. I just wish to let others know before they spend there hard earned cash that this company spends there time on the detail on the box, but not in it. The small amount of instructions included black and white poorly lit photographs which were of the easier placements, and left the more difficult procedures with less than a paragraph of instruction. I thought it was my lack of experience and know how that made this difficult but as I was shown, It is true, you get what you pay for, and although this kit was almost as much as the rest, respected brands will save the heartache of countless hours toward failure.

I hope this helps anyone who may be looking for a new arf, Seagull Models is not a good choice at all. Thanks guys.
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RE: seagull models - 5/8/2004 4:36:47 PM   
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From: tel avivna, ISRAEL
Status: offline 		wrong - i own several seagull models and most of them are just fine and at a price you should not dare to complain about - over the last 5 years there products have improved greatly and are as good as most of the budget arf's- for the record i owe them nothing. below some pics - all of them still fly today.

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RE: seagull models - 5/8/2004 11:36:59 PM   
kirkjohn



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From: brooks, AB, CANADA
Status: offline 		I Appoligise to you adrian, I was blowing off some steam. Your models look incredible, really. Good to see another young guy take to the sport, I am only 32 myself. I did however, buy a dud kit, which really cheesed me off, the store wouldn't stand good for it, and I have no way of getting ahold of seagull. I am glad to see that your ventures with them have turned out well, you seem to be happy with the company, please forgive my slanderous ways and keep flying.

p.s. If you know how I can get in touch with seagull, I would appriciate the info.

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RE: seagull models - 5/21/2004 2:50:26 AM   
SuperStick



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From: little rock, AR, USA
Status: offline 		horizon hobbies is the distributor of the seagull product line, they have a great track record in the customer service area. THey have a toll free number on their website you can call. I have a seagull model extra 300 and the arf was ok as you continue in the sport you will find that mostly all arf have something that needs attention as did my extra but it wasnt all that bad. Being curious what caused yoour kit to be a dud Rickey

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RE: seagull models - 6/17/2004 6:52:48 PM   
NOVAflier



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From: Alexandria, VA, USA
Status: offline 		You really cannot say you get what you pay for...I have seen lower priced arfs that were fantastic. However, he is entitled to his opinion...

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RE: seagull models - 6/24/2004 12:16:53 PM   
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From: Houston, TX, USA
Status: offline 		Of course anyone can say anything they want here in "User Product Reviews". But the benefit of this forum is that no one post is the definitive answer to the quality of a particular product. What we all should look for is not only the MAJORITY of "reviews" leaning one way or another, but also for specificity of each review, good or bad. For example, I for one will NOT be shopping for any Magnum engines anytime soon based on the thread concerning that product.

With that said, I'll add to the mix by saying that I bought the Razzle 3D by Seagull and am very impressed with it. It's the only ARF so far that I have decided to actually use all of the hardware that came with it. It's a very complete ARF kit, builds fast and flys well. Additionally, the quality of construction is the best I've seen among the other ARF kits I've bought (admittedly, I haven't bought every one of the others available, but this is the best yet). The covering job is excellent, and considering that all ARFS come wrinkled, it needed very little touching up with an iron to tighten it up. I put an OS61FX on it so it's not powered quite enough to make it a true "3D" aircraft, but a .91 would be the trick if you're into that kind of flying (which I'm not).

Other guys at my flying club have had similar experiences with the Seagull Spacewalker as well as others of the Seagull line.

Highflight

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RE: seagull models - 6/24/2004 2:09:07 PM   
Sport_Pilot



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For example, I for one will NOT be shopping for any Magnum engines anytime soon based on the thread concerning that product.


How did you come to that conclusion? I see about 10 to 1 favorable in that thread. Maybe you were swayed by the fact that one or two problems took several posts. Wereas the positive ones said have one , two, whatevner number, and had no problems. If you only remember the negative posts you will not buy any products. I see many negative posts for all brands.

Suggest you look up some user comparison reviews. There the comments are usually just as strong on the positive side as the negative. For the most part there is not a huge differance between OS, Magnum, Thunder Tigre, etc. Except for a few select models where it is obvious the manufacture has screwed up. OS 91FX for example.

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RE: seagull models - 6/25/2004 6:58:32 AM   
Fly-guy



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From: Brisbane, AUSTRALIA
Status: offline 		kirk

i have had only 2 Seagulll models now but I found them to be of excelent quality. I built a Boomerang 40 and Spacewalker all by myself in one weekend nd I'm only 13. As for the instructions I will have to agree and say they are very substandard but you get used to it. As for the constuction quality it is great, it is strong. don't try and tell me they are poorly built either because my Spacewalker hit the groun from at least 15 feet on the left wingtip and I got away with a broken horizontal stabilizer and a slightly damaged wingtip (maybe I was lucky, but still)

Personally I would say Seagull are very good for the price.

Fly-guy


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RE: seagull models - 8/31/2004 3:50:21 PM   
csalvian



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From: St. Albert, AB, CANADA
Status: offline 		Kirk,

I also bought the F4U Corsair from Seagull and am extremely disappointed in it. I will be posting my comprehensive review of the product momentarily, so go take a look. Needless to say, I wasn't very nice.

Chris

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RE: seagull models - 9/1/2004 2:36:57 AM   
PLANE JIM



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From: pinehurst, TX, USA
Status: offline 		I have purchased two spacewalkers and they fly great-well one does now-the other was dumb thumbed in-Maybe I should blame it on Seagull-for $119.00 US Dollars-it is a real good airplane and flies like a dream

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RE: seagull models - 9/18/2004 10:42:12 PM   
johnnycrash



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From: medina, OH, USA
Status: offline 		i have flown many arf's in the short time 5 years since I first started flying yesI do have seagull models Extra 300 S .60size with saito 1.00 , I've had some problems with my plane, most are attributed to construction not just thier construction, but mine as well, useing such a large motor and a 4 stroke at that I should of reinforced the firewall lucky it was on the bench when it came apart. wing cross brace the one you put your wingbolts into when mounting wing, I forgot you should allways put blocks under brace to strenghten,other than that I had to put in a much larger fuel tank 16 oz instead of factory 10 oz tank
pro's of the arf pinned hinges premounted engine mount my saito slipped right in nice and snug, note make sure you check mount bolts are tight, replace maingear bolts with nylon so bolts break not plane
all in all it's a good plane, I haven't found anything out of the ordinary renforcement. most any arf needs some kind of reinforcement, Remember these aren't modeler building these planes

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RE: seagull models - 9/18/2004 11:17:43 PM   
sigrun



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From: Dunnunda, AUSTRALIA
Status: offline 		Like most overgeneralisations based upon a singular bad experience and written in the emotional heat of the moment, this one too contains elements of truth liberally sprinkled with exaggerative bias.

Seagull ARFs are built in Vietnam to a price. They are not yet as well constructed as World Models ARFs, as is reflected in their respective pricing. A minimum of research accompanied by a modicum of intelligence only is required to establish this.

The upside? Seagull represent exceptional value for money. With a minimum of applied initiative, you can achieve a decent flying result for about half the price of the World Models equivalent ARF. The downside? They usually require the odd hardware item replacment and frequently, some minor modification during construction. Their manuals are utterly atrocious and often in error, so it helps to have a little previous assembly experience or an inquiring mind and some common sense. You pays your money and you makes your choice. You can't have it both ways......yet.

Seagull (Black Horse & Phoenix) product is constantly improving, very much so lately with the noticible acquisition of laser cutting equipment. Unfortunately, according to user feedback the Seagull Corsair appears to be a particularly poor example from the company as this is the second report I've read condeming it, but that is not IME generally indicative of ALL or current Seagull product.

Although I prefer World Models ARFs, I prefer to pay for Seagull. I'm with young Adrian in that I've had positive experiences with my Seagull ARFs, undoubtedly balanced by reaslistic expectations that I might have to do a little modifying if I want to save some cash. For those who want it all out of the box, buy World Models but even then don't expect a product which resembles the perfection of your dreams.

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RE: seagull models - 10/1/2004 8:31:15 PM   
Bodge



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From: Northampton, UNITED KINGDOM
Status: offline 		Would the "odd hardware item" include a Seagull Edge 540 wing that happened to break near (not at) the joint? Or a 46 sized Seagull low wing aerobatic model (forget what it was called now - I didn't have it long enough to remember the name...) where the tail broke off in flight - again not at the joint.

I think Blackhorse kits are great value for money and have had no trouble with a couple of those. I must admit I prefer Hangar 9, World Models, Great Planes and the like, but I will never buy another Seagull model.

Oh, by the way I think Magnum/ASP produce excellent engines: I have 5 including two fourstrokes and will be getting another shortly - and they are cheap but work perfectly well.

I suppose what I'm saying is, you get what you pay for. But when you are paying for a flying model, even if it is cheap, you expect it to fly without falling apart in the air.

Mick.

PS. Check out the thread on the Seagul Edge 60 if you want the general consensus on Seagull models.

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RE: seagull models - 10/1/2004 11:15:47 PM   
sigrun



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From: Dunnunda, AUSTRALIA
Status: offline 		Oh the irony! Black Horse and Seagull models are produced in the same Vietnamese factory building in Ho Chi Minh City, use the same hardware and have the same production values and quality control.

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