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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurate... - 8/20/2008 6:43:04 PM   
    da Rock



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    https://smartweb.ipower.com/lado/product1.asp?value=300&productID=19

    They sure do look good. I got mine just recently so go no idea how they're going to stand up to use. But they sure do look robust. They beat the dickens out of everything else I've considered over the years. And they're actually LESS effort to use, not more.

    (Just ordered sets for my P47 and Spitfire based on how the Corsair's are doing.)

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurate ... - 8/20/2008 8:43:43 PM   
    CorsairJock



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    ORIGINAL: Avaiojet
    .............I can't find any info on the H9 wing being too large in span, or info on shortening it?...............Charles


    The Lord helps those who are willing to help themselves, and I'm sorta the same way. But if you can't find the time to look, I'll provide special help JUST THIS ONE TIME.

    http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=1811124
    http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/fb.asp?m=1816488

    This only shortens it by a little bit, but it makes the wing to fuselage joint look MUCH better.

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurate ... - 8/20/2008 9:59:16 PM   
    Avaiojet


     

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    About the larger wingspan?

    I was refering to what Corsair Jock said. He said:

    "Read the earlier posts. I've shortened the span on 2 of them now, and it's not that difficult. I believe others are doing the same. I don't have time to re-post things ."

    So I had a question about the span? It's still not answered.

    As far as true scale. There will always be a loss of flying ability if a model is to be actual true scale. I prefer to have a really good flying model that "appears" to have the look of scale. Somewhat.

    Charles





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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurate ... - 8/20/2008 10:28:01 PM   
    Avaiojet


     

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    Reminds me of the set of Krafts I had years ago.

    I would buy a set and give them a try.

    CJ, got photos?

    Charles

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurate ... - 8/21/2008 12:05:29 AM   
    da Rock



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    Da Rock,

    As far as true scale. There will always be a loss of flying ability if a model is to be actual true scale. I prefer to have a really good flying model that "appears" to have the look of scale. Somewhat.

    Charles



    Actually, nothing about building a true scale model to exact scale causes a loss of flying ability for a model beyond Reynolds effect. Yeah, smaller makes for poorer environment (Reynolds effect), but it's not making everything exactly scale that hurts the flying ability of a model. "Always" isn't always true. There are lots of full scale airplanes that fly better as a model. Why? Wing and power loading.

    Yeah, some models of full scale airplanes that suffered from aero problems also suffer the same problems, and curing the problems makes the models better. But it's actually more often true that models fly better than full scale. Because we can create wing loading beyond full scale's wildest hopes.

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurate ... - 8/21/2008 12:07:01 AM   
    da Rock



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    Da Rock,

    About the larger wingspan?

    I was refering to what Corsair Jock said. He said:

    "Read the earlier posts. I've shortened the span on 2 of them now, and it's not that difficult. I believe others are doing the same. I don't have time to re-post things ."

    So I had a question about the span? It's still not answered.



    Looking forward to CJock's answer.

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurate ... - 8/21/2008 12:08:59 AM   
    da Rock



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    Electric rotating gear?

    CJ, got photos?

    Charles


    The LADO website link not only has pictures but videos of the suckers working. Just click on the link.

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurate ... - 8/21/2008 2:16:23 AM   
    CorsairJock



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    Da Rock, About the larger wingspan?
    I was refering to what Corsair Jock said. He said: "Read the earlier posts. I've shortened the span on 2 of them now, and it's not that difficult. I believe others are doing the same. I don't have time to re-post things ."
    So I had a question about the span? It's still not answered......................Charles


    I have a set of very accurate 1/8 scale F4U-1D drawings (from the old D&B Corsair kit), AND Royal Corsair drawings. A long time ago, I compared my H-9 Corsair fuselage to those drawings, and determined that the fuselage was for all practical puposes: 1/8 scale. The only major deviation was in the cowl, both in length and in diameter. Most Corsair kits and ARFs 'cheat' a little on the cowling length: having it longer makes it easier to balance and fly (longer moment).

    SO, if it is a 1/8 scale fuselage, then the wingspan should be 61.5" (full scale is 41'). Since the H-9 wing is 65": it is slighter longer than scale. BUT, it is really not very noticeable. What IS noticeable, as I stated earlier, is the way that center section juts out of the fuselage. If that part is corrected, as descibed earlier, it will also reduce the span slightly. Reducing the span by a couple of inches won't affect the way these fly: they are light enough that it really doesn't matter.

    As far as making a choice between the Top Flite kit and the H-9 Corsair: be aware that the Top Flite kit has some VERY noticeable scale inaccuracies, especially in the fin/ rudder and the wing-tips. H-9 did a VERY good job of getting those areas reasonable accurate. The Top Flite kit CAN be corrected, if you know what to look for.

    I'll be leaving for Kankakee, IL tommorow on a 3 night camping trip. On Sat & Sun, I'll be in the Chicago area to participate in 2 warbird events. SO, if I don't get to your questions soon: you'll know why.

    http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/m_7853159/tm.htm


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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurat... - 8/21/2008 9:25:43 PM   
    Avaiojet


     

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    Status: offline     		Landing gear location and pivit point location is way off on the H9 compaired to the actual Corsair..

    The gear on the Corsair is almost in line with the leading edge.

    Anyone got a cure for that? Anyone care?

    Charles

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurat... - 8/22/2008 1:14:29 PM   
    v6goose



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    Not that my H9 is a scale work of art, but my CJM's are as far forward as I could install them which has the retract mount plate sitting hard against the back of the LE.

    From an operational perspective, the ground handling is good, light on the tail under any kind of power and elevator required during roll-out if the grass is long.

    Structurally you would not want to cut into the LE, there is already issues with the oil cooler cut outs.

    I would be interested to see your proposed solution.

    CHeers

    Goose

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurat... - 8/22/2008 6:39:41 PM   
    Avaiojet


     

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    I can't disagree with what you say about the LE thing. Strength is needed there.

    Also, the "design" of some retracts may not permit them to be mounted that far forward.

    I have the CJ retracts also, I believe I may have a different set than yours. Mine have an 7" measurement on the strut from the pivit point to the wheel axel. These, I think, are for a larger model. Which I have.

    I'm actually thinking the "electrics" if we can get more information on them from those that have them?

    Charles

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurat... - 8/22/2008 6:50:42 PM   
    v6goose



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    I have done quite a bit of research on electric gear actuation and decided to use the Lado solution with my 1/5th bashed TF P51-D.

    If you haven't done so already, check out the Lado site here...

    Doug at Lado is working on a GS-2 sequencing controller that will include gear doors, due for release (last i heard) end of summer.

    Bear in mind that the Lado units are a replacement for air cylinders, not the retracts themselves. For example, my Mustang gear is Sierra and will be fitted with Lado actuators, making the critical distance measurement you seek a function of the Sierra's not Lado's.

    Good luck...

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurat... - 8/22/2008 8:09:56 PM   
    Avaiojet


     

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    Thanks for that explanation. I thought the Lado were actual "retracts"

    Goes to show you what happens when you don't pay good attention.

    So the electrics just "push" or "Pull"

    Then Lado's device should work with "any" gear. Correct?

    Charles

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurat... - 8/22/2008 8:19:29 PM   
    v6goose



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    Status: offline     		Ah pretty much.

    They will fit them for you if you send them the gear, which is not a bad option except for more cost in your project for postage.

    Push and pull yes, but being an electric screw-jack arrangement you can reverse them mid deployment if there is a problem, and i think if it draws too much current to binding or another problem, they will reverse.

    Another bonus is you can cycle your gear without having the radio on or having to have air in the tank. No air leaks too.

    No I dont work for Lado

    My CJM's were bought for a Kyosho Corsair and were too short for the H9. CJM restrutted them for me in good time (and cost).

    You might wanna do the same... contact Bruce at CJM.

    Cheers

    Goose

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    RE: Hanger-9 Corsair ARF Mods for more Scale/ Accurat... - 8/22/2008 10:29:36 PM