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tmproff ,, lnorris - 7/26/2002 5:23 AM   
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Ok Did all that. as I have done before as well as your input lines. Still no go..

AND lnorris Oh I agree with you 100% on this. and I do use on-line banking and sell and buy stuff on ebay and use paypal as well. But from what I understand is that out of my 7 computers in my house. that the Linksys will ANLY DMZ one System in the house and all my others are still protected as well
I also have dont this with my old 56K modems and no firewalls I guess I have been lucky so far, I also love your input! Thank you!

So now we will all know in 24 hours if my DSL provider is right. And I think that Linksys will be happy as well that I am not calling them anymore also G2 Support Was no help on this matter, But they are pretty good folks tho..
agian thanks guys!
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FMS vs G2 - 7/26/2002 5:25 AM   
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Good luck man, and keep us posted.

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FMS vs G2 - 7/26/2002 5:36 AM   
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Cougar, that is true. Linksys will only DMZ one computer. But if that computer is hacked, then the other computers are unprotected as they are on the "inside"..

And they don't go after modems. Too slow to do real damage.

With all I keep hearing about G2, I just may need to get a Windows computer so I can run it. Virtual pylon racing?

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FMS vs G2 - 7/26/2002 6:31 AM   
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YES lets do Virtual pylon racing
GET ONE!
So tell me why they or anybody would want to or
get from my computer ? I guess they could view my
checking account cuz my cookies are set umm and paypal
needs a password all the time. but i dont know what else they
can or would do.. maybe freak me out by opening my CD rom door Now II have heard of that before. that would be freaky!
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UPDATE! IT WORKS NOW! - 7/27/2002 4:31 AM   
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Sheesh after all this time, It was My Server! The Private IP on my DSL account would not let me out at all! And with ALL the help and Believe ME! I have done it ALL now with G2,, So, FYI You Or Some of us must be on a Live DSL Connect.. Private will NOT work!
I just tried after they switch my Account over. And Wammo! I was
flying in no time. No to get the hang of flying in G2 with Others !
THANKS AGIAN for all your help folks!

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Japan upgrades to FMS - 7/29/2002 9:18 PM   
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Concept1, I'm intrigued by your reference to the Japan upgrades to FMS
[QUOTE]Originally posted by concept1
... now if you get the upgrades, I found them in Japan. it is very good, still does not have the individual blades of grass and the crowds of people. but the upgraded versions are at least twice as good as the original versions of FMS that you would have seen .. [/QUOTE]
I assume you are referring to an upgrade you found somewhere on the web ? If so can you share the web site address/URL.

I have not yet bought G2, but based on the diversity of responses, think I may end up buying a copy and running both to take advantage of each strengths. I like the online flight concept.

Thanks Mike

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FMS vs G2 - 7/29/2002 11:23 PM   
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Concept1, are you talking about the version 7 of FMS?

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FMS vs G2 - 7/29/2002 11:48 PM   
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There is also an Alpha version on the site.

The upgrades he's referring to are more than likely models and landscapes which, I've found, are mostly at German sites.

Or he's just trolling...

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The DMZ does only forward 1 computer to the internet, the other computers are still protected.

For the people with cyberphobia DMZ is not the best option, simply use port forwarding in the linksys setup. All you have to do is find out what port the application uses to access the internet.

I have been using computers and the internet for roughly 10 years, never once have I had a problem with someone accessing my computer. The last few years of course were on some form of broadband access. Right now its Bellsouth DSL which I find much more consistant than cable in my area.

Contrary to popular belief there are not hundreds of hackers lined up at the head end or dslam waiting to get into your computer. Over the years I have worked on several systems that people claimed they had been hacked....lol

Not one of systems turned out to be compromised but rather a ping from a website or program that had been downloaded.

9 out of 10 times people that are hacked are the ones that play with programs that they have no business messing with.
AOL punters and proggies, IRC scripts, ICQ proggies etc. are what get you in trouble.
For one most people downlaod these programs to fool with someone else. Then whine and cry when they find out the program had a virus or backdoor type program.

The thing to keep in mind here is that if someone REALLY wants to get into your computer...they will. Dont matter what router you have or software firewall, it can be compromised.

The thing you have to ask yourself is if you have ticked anyone off to that point?

Other than that I dont see a problem, the internet is safe!

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FMS vs G2 - 7/29/2002 11:59 PM   
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[QUOTE]Other than that I dont see a problem, the internet is safe![/QUOTE]

I'm sorry to disagree with you, but I work with this in my field constantly. The only think protecting people these days is the sheer number of people on the internet(safety in numbers). Scrutinize your email, use a firewall, and try not to keep important information stored on your Hard Drive.

Firewall's are not bulletproof (at least not the ones for home users), but it sure makes the hacker think to themself if it's worth their time.

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ya I agree about the email, I think we all know that goes without saying.

On the connection front, I dont think anyone really needs that kind of protection. Unless you have some valuable information that someone really wants, I think its a waste of money and time.

If its a worry and a simple router makes you feel better then I guess do what gives you piece of mind.

My point is that the router wont do you a bit of good if someone really wants to get in there.
I have a router in my home, but I dont use it for firewall puposes, I use it for DHCP to serve the connection out to my other computers.

Again, never had a problem but I do know that if someone wanted to get in, they would.

The only thing that would give me any sense of real protection would be something like a PIX firewall and a NOC tech. sitting there monitoring my network.

I dont need that and nor do the tons of other internet users, whom most are still on dial up and behind proxies.

oh and yes Tmproff I agree with you about the safety in numbers.
Speaking of numbers, how often do you hear of a confirmed case of a home user getting hacked?

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FMS vs G2 - 7/30/2002 2:39 AM   
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BTW, I know this is off subject so this will be my last post on this but..

Ok, I do this for a living also and I've found a BUNCH (hundreds) of hacked home users. Mostly people putting a MS Windows machine on a cable modem without any protection (firewall).

Most the attacks hitting MY sites are from hacked home computers. The beauty is, since MS Windows is so unstable to begin with, these people never know they are hacked until their ISP disconnects them. Just a couple of months ago I ran across a group that was hacking people computers stealing their credit card numbers, and posting them on IRC. People never had a clue.

BTW, I use a Cisco PIX firewall on my network and it isn't bulletproof. I did have to turn off logging as the sheer number of people trying to break in was pathetic. I would get HUNDREDS of hack attempts. Heck, I get 30+ a day at home.

The internet is NOT safe. Most of us move to safe neighborhoods to distance ourselves from the bad people but, on the internet, there is no such thing. A Chinese kid can attack your system all day long without fear of reprisal, and they do.

Key is to be secure enough to not be worth the time. The Linksys is a poor firewall but it's better than nothing. Just thinking that no one will ever want to mess with your computer because it doesn't contain anything useful isn't true. Some people are just mean and do things just because they can.

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FMS vs G2 - 7/30/2002 9:18 PM   
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A little education on hacking here just to put some people's worries to rest. 90% of all hacking attempts are through "Trojan Viruses"

How they work is that you open an email/program, and a tiny trojan virus loads in your computer. It does nothing to harm your computer...it just sits there and listens. Next, the 2nd half of the program that is on the hacker's computer randomly polls computers on the internet checking to see if they have the small trojan virus installed on their computer. If it does, the tiny trojan wakes up and opens a port so that the real trojan virus infects your computer. If you look at a firewall log, you can possibly see quite a few "attempts" at hacking, but it's actually just a random broadcast checking too see if its counterpart is loaded inside your network.

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FMS vs G2 - 7/30/2002 9:25 PM   
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tmproff is right. And I didn't mean to scare anyone...

BTW, I don't consider the viruses hacking attempts either. I was looking at specific vulnerability probing. Usually by script kiddies (people who find programs on the web to help them hack but don't understand what they do) but they can be dangerous by sheer number.

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