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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 7:59:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: William Robison

On the Mac. Maybe if I spent your 15 minutes on one I would have a higher opinion of it, but I really don't think you could sell it to me over the Intel box. Just one point in the hardware. You have a mouse with one button on top. Just what Doug Englebart started with back in 1962 or so. Does it not seem reasonable to assume more can be done when you have a mouse with three buttons and a scroll wheel? Of course you have to remember which button to push. Maybe that's it. Mac users don't have to remember such things. Takes a smarter person to run an Intel box.


An even smarter person just changes the mouse. You've been under the impression that the OS didn't have native support for more than one button? I run a Logitech cordless setup on a KVM between my G4 and Windows box. Believe it or not, but the driver for the keyboard (it's got about a dozen extra buttons and such) and mouse is quite a bit better on the Mac than the PC. Go figure, eh?

This is exactly what I've been harping on you about, Bill. You comment out of ignorance, and never seem to want to correct that.

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 8:32:22 AM   
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Mike:

Cool it.
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Of course you have to remember which button to push. Maybe that's it. Mac users don't have to remember such things. Takes a smarter person to run an Intel box.

Haw.


Just like the "iPot," that last bit was teasing. I'm sorry you couldn't see it.

Now let's get back to using the computers for communication, and get the thread back to castor oil. OK?

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 1:38:41 PM   
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So far all my engines seems to be running fine with Byron 15% Nitro, 16% Oil (synthetic/castor blend). However, its cause a bit dirty on OS and Magnum but Saito somehow always clean - fantastic.

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 1:40:09 PM   
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Everyone Please.... Mike.. Start another thread to discuss your choice of computer or get off of this thread... no joke .. no game... this is serious to me and I do not care to hear your opinions of other subjects... Richard

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 1:44:43 PM   
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MIKE..... any prudent person could see the humor in William's computer joke... As he said Cool It... as I said ... take it elsewhere.... Richard

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 1:45:57 PM   
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Be very leary of any one that sticks there chest out and trys to tell you they know everything about anything!

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 2:40:40 PM   
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My LHS really try's to sell just synthetic blends OF XP Pro. I have tried it myself and do not like it at all. All my engines run much much hotter and my needles have to be adjusted to suit it. I never made it through a gallon of the stuff, just never sat right with me. XP Sport on the other hand has been great, it has 25% Castor and my engines no longer smoke
When I help out fellas that have dead sticked, first thing I do is fill there tanks with my fuel

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 4:08:33 PM   
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Bill Robinson:

Do you see any reason to add castor oil to Omega 15%, when using a Saito 72 ?

Thanks

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 4:18:03 PM   
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Hello, is the Castor 25% of the oil content and is it part of a Syn oil mixed with the nitro, What brand, etc...

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 4:22:06 PM   
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Bill,

I'm glad that I curbed some remarks that I almost made. I see that you are one of those who have been at this longer than me. I started in the late 1970.s with an IBM...forget the model now. I was in the Army and we would break into the office where it resided to learn computing on the sly. We would carry in beer and pizza for the weekends, and camp at the console. My last jobs were in aviation simulations, working with the AH-64, OH-58D, CH-47, and UH-60 combat mission simulators, and contractors like Evans & Sutherland, Ball, etc.

My first home box was a 800XL and I later started programming machine language on the 6502. My first ventures into DOS and Macs were via the Atari ST thru emulations. I had to do work for the Army in DOS, but the offices didn't have the Zeniths yet so I had to program DBase III on Ataris. I ran early Macintosh programs on that ST for several years before moving up to Macs. I began serious illustration on the ST in the latter 1980s and began doing detailed graphics for Broken Wing Awards, detailing inflight failures and landings. I later became a MIS guy for a problematic LAN on the base. I learned to scream and shout a lot with that job.

I worked as a graphics designer/illustrator after that and one company had Macs, Intels, and SG Indys. The Macs were always faster on equal versions of software due to mouse click counts, scrolling counts, font management, and RIPing to architectual sized plotters. We had our camps of Intel and Mac followers, but we all agreed that productivity was higher with the Macs when we were churning out jobs. We could network the Macs and SGIs, but never the Intels.

Now, I would have to agree that OS X is rock solid as it was built from scratch. I didn't want to switch, but I still do some graphics design on the side and was forced to move up. I have never looked back. After some 9 months with various versions of OS X running on 4 boxes at home I still get surprises to how good it is. We also have a Windows box. My G5 chews up anything I give it. I know what you mean about going through OSs like I did and making your choices. You certainly aren't one of the "new experts", running your first version of an OS installed by the distributor. I felt the same about DOS as you did about the Lisa.

My evaluation on Macs and Intels since their birth is this: The Mac OS and Finder/System scheme should have killed the Mac in the beginning. Not everyone could afford a HD just to run the OS. DOS was better and rock solid. However, Windows came along and there lies the problem for Intel boxes. When I see Windows I can't help but think we are still living in the serial mouse/bus mouse world. What should have killed the Mac is now what makes it a better system. Windows should partially reside in ROM and have a similiar function as the Toolbox. Most people never paid attention to Toolbox, but it is what gives the Mac a better ROM foundation. (Also, the Toolbox is what allowed for Macs to be emulated in the first place.) The time has passed for Intel boxes to integrate everything into ROM, tie it all together, and get rid of the ancient interrupt problems, etc.

Anyway, it is good to talk and debate computers with someone who has been at it longer than me.

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 4:51:25 PM   
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Dar Zeelon,
According to their web site, the castor oil sold by Sig is Bakers AA.

Bill,
I'll check the local baking supply houses.
A quick lookup in Yahoo Yellow Pages gave me several hits close by.
Thanks for the lead.

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 5:06:01 PM   
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Marty,

I wrote that I don't know about the degummed quality of that bakery Castor oil.
The Castor oil supplied by sig, was labeled as "degummed" in the past, but no longer is.

Since Sig uses Bakers, then I guess it is OK and clean.

It is said Castor oil from the first press has very little "gum" in it.

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/30/2004 6:31:53 PM   
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Luis:

Among my Saitos there is an FA-72. It, like all the rest of them, gets fed straight Omega 15%, with no more castor oil added. Omega is fine straight out of the bottle.

Blwblw:

I could write many pages about hardware, firmware, and software. Apple. putting a lot of the operating system and utilities in ROM has locked the design, and made the Mac just about impossible to clone. This has allowed Apple to keep the prices up, and made it necessary for other op systems to be run as emulator programs.

The Intel boxes, having little more than a boot loader in ROM can run almost anything you want in native code. But it has also allowed the proliferation of clones, and that has kept the competition lively, and prices in real dollars far lower than they were just a few years ago. In 1976 a rich man could have 16K RAM, and that 16K RAM alone cost about $600 in 1976 dollars. Now you get the complete machine with 128M RAM for $600 in 2004 dollars.

The Mac is like your little Corvette, great for zipping around wherever you want to go, but as a vehicle for the family vacation it doesn't do as well. The Intel box is the Chevy Suburban, a big lumbering vehicle, and while it's not flashy it serves well to drive to church, and still does well to pack the wife, kids, and luggage for the family vacation. And it still has room for your souvenirs.

No, I don't worship at the altar of Billy Gates, we had our first serious argument almost 30 years ago, but that's another story. I never liked Steve Jobs either, although Steve Wozniak was a prince of a fellow. I have settled on Windoze in spite of Gates.

The Macs and Intel boxes have their differing sets of advantages and disadvantages, the user has to pick which set he wants to be limited by. I've made my choice, and you have made yours. We aren't going to settle the argument here, we really should drop it.

See the attached Fox Trot strip for my final comment.

Bill.

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/31/2004 3:40:47 AM   
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Technically (and I found this out by doing Google searches) AA quality simply means degummed first pressing. This is the castor we need for our engines. Medicinal castor is further refined because our bodies don't really have any need for lubrication

Castor from third world countries is generally refined using chemicals like Xylene which can never be completely removed from the final oil. This shows up as white flakes when the fuel is cold. To add to Dar's list of suitable brands there's Castrol M which, although probably the best of them all, isn't available in America but is most likely to be what's used in the Model Technics (UK) fuel he mentioned.

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RE: Castor oil - A final word? - 5/31/2004 3:49:47 AM   
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<<This shows up as white flakes when the fuel is cold.>>

downunder, how solid is that information? I ask because I saw these flakes once and wondered what the hell they were. They were in a brand of fuel that was claimed to be the exact same thing as a very popular brand (both by the same manufacturer), but with a different dye color. I knew that was BS, because three different engines ran differently with the "blue" fuel as opposed to the "green" fuel.

Do you know the technical name of the processes used, etc? I would like to have my ducks in a row when I jam somebody up about this...

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