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RE: I am not worthy! - 11/26/2004 2:25:39 PM   
kram-RCU



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Amen to all that.

TwinMan puts gyros on his P-38's.

I don't, under the basic premise that it's just one more thing to go wrong.

I just focus my efforts on trying to make sure both engines are completely reliable.

Also, call me crazy, but I never cycle the gear or use the flaps on any P-38 maiden. Just bring it in with power!


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RE: I am not worthy! - 11/26/2004 3:17:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		You guys are great, I have had offers of all kind to help get the 38 in the air and do it as safe as possible. Fred from RI , I got you E-mail and When its time I will E-mail you, still have to finish it though.

I have read Twin mans post on Twins, I think we are going with the gyros, the reason is that it will give us just a little more time to react to a problem, but I think my first course of action will be ENGINE RELIABILITY. I think we all agree that if I can keep both engines running, I will have eliminated about 75% of what makes 38s crash. Another good piece of info from Twin-man was take-off speed, I have the 38 on flite sim and if I kill an engine on takeoff and have a good ground roll, I can get it in the air and some care get it back on the ground, but it I try it at a low ground speed, it goes into a flat spin SO FAST its not funny.

Again I appreciate all the info on getting it the air safe,

Thanks
Ron

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RE: I am not worthy! - 11/26/2004 6:25:36 PM   
kram-RCU



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Status: offline 		Engine-out on the Real Flite sim is unfortunately a lot easier than real life, although it does give you a basic feel (mental preparation) for the kind of control inputs needed. The only way I found to make it more "real" was to re-build the plane in the custom box so the wing-loading was 30% greater.

If you lose an engine on roll-out, don't leave the ground. I don't care what you hit at the end of the runway, it won't be as bad as a one-engine takeoff!

mt

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RE: I am not worthy! - 11/27/2004 11:28:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Ron,
Thanks for the reply. What ever you decide , let me know , I would like to be there. Looking forward to your maiden flight.
Thanks,
Fred Menna Check6

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RE: I am not worthy! - 11/27/2004 1:44:29 PM   
jester1a



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Status: offline 		I'd drive to Conneticut to see the maiden flight also. What a fabulous airframe!
Heck, it's only 150 miles.

JESTER

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RE: Metal-Morphing a Yellow P-38 - 11/30/2004 2:39:19 AM   
FliteMetal



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I've watched since you metalized Dong's P-38. You've accomplished the ultimate metal finish. If only eveyone who purchased Flite-Metal would prep their airframes as well as you have done for your process. Beautiful work man! To think back when we were looking for the best alloy with characteristics permitting controllable stretch.

It will be interesting to see what Kent has to say about the "acquired" aluminum finish for competition purposes. It is neat stuff man...neat stuff!

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RE: Metal-Morphing a Yellow P-38 - 11/30/2004 4:32:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I once heard a fellow R/Cer state:" I don't like Silver as it shows every thing!" It's obvious to achieve a respectable metal finish the prep is maybe 1/2 the work or play depending on how you think of building.. The competition question is interesting.

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RE: Metal-Morphing a Yellow P-38 - 11/30/2004 11:08:59 PM   
Metalmorphous



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Status: offline 		Ramc-- Preparation in definitely one of the main steps in our plating process, the plating will mirror the subsurface, thats good when you want details like panel lines but bad if there are imperfections in the surface. But I must admit in the long run there is nothing that looks as good as real aluminum.


Thanks Ed. I agree, 'neat stuff' was my reaction to the process when we plated our first surface. It's definitely an innovative process that adds to the evolution of this industry and the options we have available to achieve aluminum replication while eliminating the flexibility issues. I think its still at its infancy stage but we are always looking for ways to improve our process. Hope someday that this will be an option we can add to our aircraft straight from the aircraft manufacturers Thats what I'll be working on next

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RE: Metal-Morphing a Yellow P-38 - 12/1/2004 1:32:12 PM   
FliteMetal



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RE: Metal-Morphing a Yellow P-38 - 12/1/2004 9:58:44 PM   
Metalmorphous



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RE: Metal-Morphing a Yellow P-38 - 12/1/2004 10:09:12 PM   
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RE: I am not worthy! - 12/1/2004 10:55:52 PM   
Metalmorphous



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Status: offline 		A quick question for the P-38 experts. Are the panels behind the turbos on top of the fuselage a heat protective metal other than aluminum, some of the detail pictures show this to be a metal like titanium but I dont thick they used titanium in the 40s. One of the other metals we plate looks like titanium but if the panels are just discolored by the heat I can just use some steel wool and metal dye to get that appearance.

Thanks

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RE: I am not worthy! - 12/3/2004 11:07:37 PM   
Metalmorphous



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Status: offline 		I just applied the stars, here are pictures of that. I also figured the pilot area need some work so I got a stater kit and did some work

Enjoy
Ron

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RE: I am not worthy! - 12/3/2004 11:11:30 PM   
Metalmorphous



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