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Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/8/2004 2:59:30 AM   
windwalker


 

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/8/2004 5:25:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll throw my Shoestring up against any of the other two with similar engines. I would imagine that the powerplant/prop combo is going to dictate the winner. I clocked 112mph at 250msl in a dead level run. Not bad for a 7lb airplane all up. OS61FX swinging 12x8MA.

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/8/2004 10:03:50 PM   
windwalker


 

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Status: offline 		I agree that the hottest engine/prop would rule, so ya gotta have some limits

What about up to a 91 sport 2-stroke for one class (stock, unmodified)

And a second class--unlimited (any mods allowed, 91 2-stroke, 120 4-stroke)

Sound Interesting?

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/9/2004 12:50:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm planning on "stuffing" my Y.S. 120 in the 'lil tony. I think it'll move pertty good. I'm gonna have to beef up some of the weaker spots though.





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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/9/2004 3:43:07 AM   
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Wouldn't require a lot of thinking--try and get some radar or GPS readings and let us know how fast she is

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/19/2004 4:47:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to build a Lil' Toni for my OS 120 III pump... I tached it with a 14 x 14 APC at 10,800 rpms. On my Thrust calculator that would be 143 mph!!! I can't wait....

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/19/2004 5:03:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Check out this link for a complete set of rules for Formula One / Goodyear racers
Both the Shoestring adn the Toni are legal.

http://www.pylonworld.com/rc_pylon/f1_sport/f1_sport_rules.htm

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/19/2004 7:29:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Full size, the Rare Bear would eat up the Little Toni and Shoestring!!

Is there much full size Formula 1 anymore? Probably been hitting all the wrong web sites - there's an awful lot about Unlimiteds out there.

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/23/2004 6:39:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		<<Full size, the Rare Bear would eat up the Little Toni and Shoestring!! >>

Let's see, 3000+ hp VS. 135 hp. However, if I set up the race course, I could rig it where the Bear wouldn't stand a chance. The full size F1's race on a three mile course, while the unlimited are on a 19 mile course. Nothing prepares you for the sound of the unlimited planes going by at 500 MPH. However seeing a F1 go by at 250 on such a small engine is pretty impressive too.

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/23/2004 8:06:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a G90 in my Shoestring and a OS 1.08 in my WM Midget. You guys don't have the "???? "

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/27/2004 6:06:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just finished installing a YS 110 on my shoestring. It ran good with the Satio but it was junk and craped out... No its got a New YS...

My little tony has a Jett F.I.R.E. on it.. Should run fast. Swing a 9x9 20,000 unloaded.

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/29/2004 5:57:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I recently finished a Lil Tony with a YS 110. I'm running the YS header and a 12 x 10 prop and Powermaster 20/20. I radared at 144 mph level flight. Great flying plane and hot on landing. I've also got a Shoestring with a Rossi 60. Radared at 118. Fun to fly but no comp to the Tony. 468hotrod - that engine is wrong for the Tony. I've got that on a Cermark Pitts where its perfect for a work horse. Its not a race engine. Its too large for the cowling and too heavy for the plane.

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 6/29/2004 12:44:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Harvey,

I ran your numbers on my thrust calculator and your YS110 would have to turn 15,200 rpm's with a 12 x 10 prop to run 144 mph. I have a YS110 and it will not turn 15,000 rpm's with ANY prop. That motor is only good for 12,000 max... I agree the OS120 is heavy. Probably 4-5 ounces heavier than the YS110. But I am not trying to turn high rpm's just need the torque to turn the higher pitch props. My bud has a pitch meter and we are going to re-pitch a 13 inch prop to a 13 x 16 to try it. This setup just needs a lot of brute strength to hit 10,000 rpm's... Just a different approach to speed than the high rpm 2-strokes... We'll see how it goes... I am using my YS110 in a Funtana 90 right now.

Ray

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 7/9/2004 7:40:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ray -- Let me know how your prop gig works. I know I'm revving the motor to death and really don't expect it to live to long anyway. Harvey

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 7/9/2004 9:22:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: fastford


My little tony has a Jett F.I.R.E. on it.. Should run fast. Swing a 9x9 20,000 unloaded.


What size Jett? Did you run the header through the fuse? Which pipe are you using? Please post a pic of your installation.

I'm just about to fit a soon-to-arrive Jett .90L (side exhaust) to mine but I'm keen to see a good FIRE installation all the same. I have a new circa 1980 OS VF .61 FIRE sitting in a drawer as an alternative powerplant.

Thanks in advance

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 7/9/2004 5:56:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		When anyone gets a side exhaust install in a Toni done..... I'd like to see some pictures too!

I sorta have a layout for the rear exhaust. Going to help out a friend with that this weekend hopefully. We shall see how that works

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RE: Shoestring vs Lil' Toni vs Rare Bear - 7/10/2004 5:05:11 AM