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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 9/29/2007 2:48:57 AM   
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It is amazing how much better it visually flies also. Almost no correction when trimmed right. And with the added power it is soooo much fun to fly. I have a HET F-18 with over 800 watts but the power to weight ratio of the MiG makes it that much more fun. The whole key was the fuse stiffeners and using a carbon spar that stabs into the stiffener. Wing loading is not even an issue. The wing will break at the center before it comes off of the fuse. When Dave gets back from vac. we will get a video posted. If is really something to see. The F-86's are next with United Hobbies fans. Should be something.

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 9/29/2007 3:05:43 AM   
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One more thing, the XF fan motor (5100 kv) that Hobby Lobby and EJF have for around $39 works really well with the stock Alpha 3 bladed fan and I believe they have the Alpha 3mm fan hub available also. Draws 19.2 Amps static with a TP 1320. Flight times are 7-10 mins with WOT passes. Have not put it on the rail to measure thrust but it has to be close 12-15 oz. The verticle is pretty impressive. We have tried every conceivable combanation and from what we came up with its the biggest bang for your buck on 3 cells. Does not work with the 5 bladed fan. Amp draw goes to over 28 and spool up stops at 3/4 throttle. Just thought I'd throw it out there.

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 10/10/2007 11:20:09 PM   
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I agree that the XF 5100 motor is excellent with the stock fan. I'm a newbie to EDF, treated myself to the Alpha Mig for Xmas last year and went with the e-flightline Himax 2015 package. The first motor was bad, and efltline replaced it. The plane flew well the first time I maidened it in March, but I was in a small field and it scared me, so I brought it in after only a couple minutes. I figured I might need a backup fan, so I ordered another stock Alpha 3 blade, and fitted the XF 5100 to it. For the last 6 months, plane and fan sat un-used.

I broke out the Mig last week for it's post-maiden maiden, and got scared at how fast it is. This time, I took it to a huge 40 acre soccer field park, but it still scared me. Fastest I'd flown prior is my GWS zero, which can hustle, but nothing like the Mig once it's on step. Tried to bring it in slow b/c that sucker just glide forever on zero throttle, and stalled it at 6 feet.....smashed nose, cracked fuse just fwd of the wings, tore loose the fan assembly. I'm just not used to having to keep up that amount of speed on landing to prevent a stall. Guess it's a swept wing thing. Whatever...turns out that the Himax is toast now. No idea why b/c it was off on crash landing, but once I had everything glued back together, it causes the Phoenix controller to cut out at anything more than 1/3 throttle. There's no binding or rubbing I can tell, so seems the motor is bad.

Sooooo, I fitted the XF powered fan and using a 3c lipo, it screams at a definitely higher pitch than the Himax. Took it out today and it practically leaps out of my hand at launch. Once again, I'm scared of this thing, but did three launch, fly 2 minutes, and land. Quit after the 3rd landing, happy to have an intact, albeit battered plane (it still flies fine with a crumpled looking nose, and taped up gouges in the air duct!!)

Bottom line is I think the XF motor is a lot better than the e-flightline Himaxx 5100. I can't imagine wanting it to go any faster, but to each his own.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to land this thing, because whenever I bring it in at zero throttle, it just keeps going forever and I majorly over-shoot the touchdown. Also, anyone have experience with both the Mig and GWS warbirds who can tell me where the stall speed is on the Mig, relative to GWS i.e., how slow on approach before you stall? I'm still too nervous to experiment with this. In fact, I walk away shaking and heart pounding after it's down successfully!!!

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 10/10/2007 11:45:36 PM   
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Also, does anyone know where I can get adhesive Soviet stars and markings? The Alpha supplied water slide ones are already flaking off. Guess I didn't do a good job putting them on.

thks, scott

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 10/15/2007 5:33:10 PM   
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Hi,

just to show you my Alfa Model Mig-15 with pneumatic micro retracts, brushless motor and the new 5 blade rotor from alfa model, I also use a 2200 mAh LI-PO.
This model is a little bit heavier than recommended, but on the other hand it´s more stable, and it glides on final approach like a trainer.
My Mig is still very fast and handles very well on the ground since it takes off after a 50 ft run (from the road) and lands in the dirt.


what a great little plane!!

Best regards,

Mario

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 10/15/2007 6:49:24 PM   
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Mario - she is nice, very nice!

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 10/27/2007 5:15:30 AM   
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x man, the stall speed on the MIG is almost at a crawl providing you have enough throw on the horizantal stab at slow airspeed. We fly at speed on low rates with 30% expo. On approach flip to high rate on the h/stab with a little power on and keep pulling back until she sinks in. With the XF fan and motor your loaded weight should be between 17 and 19 oz. We have done several simulated approach runs with the stock set up and yes... the stall is unpredicable due to the slight anheidral of the main wing. With minimal power and increased up elevator as the airspeed slows you will not have any problem with stalling. We have 4 alpha EDF planes an way too many flight to count and have only crashed on stupidity. You have got to see the MIG at over 100 mph 5 feet off the ground. Even at over 22 oz. this thing lands like a butterfly. Hope I helped. By the way MIG guys, we maidened the F-86 with a Wemotec 70MM and Typhoon 2W power. Flys like a pattern plane and goes vertical as fast as in level flight. Just as fast as the MIG but a little more stable at low speed. Scaled at 23 oz, 32 oz. thrust static at 450W.................

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 10/29/2007 3:24:34 PM   
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Scotty...spoon feed me if you will

Presently, I'm flying the Alfa MiG w/ 4S, the CC PH25, a BEC , and a JS motor. Stock thee-blade Alfa fan. Goes great(!) until you described yours, dammit

So: what exact fan and motor combo are you using, 3S or 4S.....where do I purchase that stuff? Installation problems/tricks? Tx!

Ray

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 10/30/2007 2:21:15 AM   
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Hello,
I have been considering buying either the mig 15 or the f-86, I was wondering what the performance is with the recomended Jet Screamers motor? Also this would be my first edf, so which would be preffered assembly wise. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 10/30/2007 9:40:52 PM   
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Nice to hear props on the F 86 - I love that plane - its a breeze to keep in the air - very stable, and it ROGs great. Love the one piece wing that is easy to attach.....

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 11/13/2007 10:12:00 PM   
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Roy, sorry it took me so long to get back to you. There are several placed to get what you need for the upgrade. The HET 70mm fan that Electric Jet Factory carries works great. You can also get it from Warbirds RC. We have a Typhoon 2W (4700kv), Castle TBird54 Speed Control, and TP 2100 3s battery. She is power hungry (45 amps static) but with stick management we have seen flights over 7 minutes beating on it. I need to get some pictures posted because it was a lot of work but not difficult. The thin ply fuse formers were the most time conusming as the wire spar was replaced with carbon rods that attached to each side of the former. The wing is much more rigid and there is absolutely no deflection in the attachment point of the wing. We got rid of the inlet duct basically to make more room and with the inlet ring have seen no air cavitation. The stock HET fan does not come with an inlet ring so Dave robbed one off of a Wemotec fan he had. I know these are available also. He used composite for the exaust ducting from Ken at K&A Models (trick stuff) but clear plastic or cardboard would work just as well. I would reccomend going to a larger "C" rating on the battery as the TP 2100 is giving all it has. The F-86 has a Flight Power 1800 25C 3S and was barely warm when it landed. There is a website that you may have seen (United Hobbies) and the stuff is for real. Their 69mm fan is an exact copy of the Wemotec and that is what is in the F86. Works great and draws less. They have a ton of different motors and it is ridiculously cheap. Takes 2 weeks to get but is is legit. Hope I helped. I will try to get these damn pics posted is I can find them.

http://www.ejf.com
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http://www.unitedhobbies.com

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 11/17/2007 9:00:11 PM   
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Hey guys this guy Don at Dons RC has a couple of great motors for 3s2100 ducted fan use. They are faster than others who hype their motors as going so many mph in their dreams. This guy speaks the truth and the motors do what he says with no special tricks. Check em out.http://www.donsrc.com/cart/index.php?act=viewCat&catId=3

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RE: Alfa Model Mig 15 - 11/17/2007 9:05:28 PM   
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Thats www.donsrc.com Try it you'll like it !!!

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