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RE: Modeling Software - 5/13/2007 3:53 PM   
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I've used AutoCad 2004-2007 for the last few years. I've started to learn the basics of SolidWorks about 2 years ago. Now that I work for a company that uses SolidWorks 2006, I would never want switch back to Cad, ever!

At home I use SolidWorks 2004 for all my modeling needs. Assemblies are very easy to create, parts are also quickly made and extremely easy to modify. Drawings are just a click away. The animation and stress/load calculator in SolidWorks is also very interesting.

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RE: Modeling Software - 7/25/2007 4:21 PM   
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since am new to cad I have found this very interesting thread. I was hoping to get some help also


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RE: Modeling Software - 7/26/2007 3:26 AM   
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I am using Corel Draw 8 to draw parts for my Waco UBF-2. There are a few Companies that can lazer cut from .cdr files. I have been using Draw for quite some time to cut vinyl lettering. I have used my vinyl cutter/plotter to draw the parts on paper with very good results. I have not checked my drawings with great precision, but have sized a wing panel to 76" and drawn it out with the plotter and it measured to within a 1/6" using a tape measure. Now most scratch builders will not accept such lose tolerances, but if all parts are scaled
the same what difference does it make. The bird will still fly. Now the Cad guy's will not like this as they claim you can't draw with any accuracy in Draw. Not as good as Autocad etc. I agree, but you can insert guide lines and snap to them with very close tolerances. I wish I was further along with my project and could prove that Draw can do the job, but I'm not. I have found Corel Draw 8 for sale on the Web for less than $75.00. I will try and upload some images for you, hope they look ok.


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RE: Modeling Software - 7/26/2007 11:04 AM   
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That's very interesting. Now my project I am currently wrking on is a 35% tempest. I think corel 11 accepts dxf files


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RE: Modeling Software - 7/26/2007 1:10 PM   
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Hi Doris, , ,
Got your message. Glad to help out if I can.
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RE: Modeling Software - 7/26/2007 1:21 PM   
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Yes, Draw 11 will import just about all drawing formats, DXF,DWG,EPS,WMF,PDF,AI etc. I have Draw 10 & 12, but stay with 8 because that is the only version that is compatible with my Co-Cut plotter program. I have converted cdr drawings to dxf and imported them into AutoCad 14 and 07 with no problems. I have also imported them into SolidWorks with no problems. I have tried AutoCad but, being so accustomed to Draw I found it a very large learning curve for an old timer with dead brain cells.


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RE: Modeling Software - 7/26/2007 2:33 PM   
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Hi Skinny Bob!
I was reading this thread, looked over to the left and saw Mercer WI. I've owned a house up there since 2001, and I'm moving up for good on Saturday. Maybe we can get together sometime. I recently joined the Northwoods Flyers RC Club in Rhinelander. Hopefully talk to you soon!!
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RE: Modeling Software - 7/26/2007 4:37 PM   
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Hi Joe, well like they say, small world. Where is your house in Mercer?. I have sold my home here in Mercer and am moving to Kentucky this fall. Give me a call when you get settled in. 476-2027

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RE: Modeling Software - 12/5/2007 10:36 AM   
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Hi

I am planning to learn "Catia" in a local government recognized institute just for my modelling passion is this a really good software.... they told me that "Solid Works" is a product of CATIA. I need suggestion..

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RE: Modeling Software - 12/5/2007 4:52 PM   
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Catia is an excellent program! In my opinion it is somewhat like solidworks just with a lot more to it in terms of features.
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RE: Modeling Software - 12/6/2007 8:59 AM   
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Thanks for the Info...

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RE: Modeling Software - 1/18/2008 11:02 PM   
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I am hoping to find a set of plans and Solidworks was the recommended format. How much would it be to purchase such a set of plans? Does anyone out there have them for sale or have experience with this type of transaction? I need help. Obviously, I'd prefer free plans; there seem to be many out there. I'm simply looking for plans to an Extra or some such plane. (I'm saying this plane because I think it's "sexy" and capable. Something comparable would be fine.) What I really want is "the outside". I only need to have plans to a good behaving/flying "shell" as I'm going to experiment with the inside of the plane. Any assistance is greatly appreciated! .60, .90, or 1.2 size doesn't really matter to me as much. I want to know if my idea will work. Before I can find out, I need a set of plans that can be manipulated and changed by someone who knows what he's doing to match my ideas. If it works, it will be cool. I appreciate any assistance as I am truly a layman.

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RE: Modeling Software - 6/23/2008 8:28 PM   
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What about Blender (100% free) ?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/27903093@N03/

Thanks to Mods for the ngine CAD work

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RE: Modeling Software - 6/29/2008 8:04 PM   
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I know I'm gonna get shouted at. But is there any cad software out there that's inexpensive and can be run with Linux? I don't know about most people here but I am basicly Windows free anymore. I am running Debian based Ubuntu right now and am not missing Windows one bit.

I am sure others are in the same boat as well. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I will look around myself and see what I can shake up. If I find anything substantial I'll try to report back here. BTW I'm not bashing Windows in any way. I am just happy running Linux as my main OS. If I must I can reactivate my XP Pro 64 bit on an old drive and use that. I may just get Modelcad anyway. I wanted to several years ago and just never did it. Anyway thanks for not throwing any rocks.

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RE: Modeling Software - 6/29/2008 8:59 PM   
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OK I did some quick research. There are a bunch of commercial Cad programs out there. Some cheap some not so. There are several GNU (GNU means general public free liscence, Basicly free software for anyone who wants it) projects. In my repositorys (Linux is different from Windows in that there are thousands of free software titles in a maintained repository you only have to go to and download whatever you want) there is Qcad. Some quick reserch shows it's supposed to be a decent 2D program that's easy to learn. I guess I'll see about that.

Anyhow that is the easyest route for 2d cad so far for Linux I've seen. I may look later for 2D/3D programs. I hope this helps Linux users. BTW It seems to be shipping on many Distro's package lists. So it should be available to most Linux users.

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RE: Modeling Software - 7/2/2008 9:04 PM   
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I know I'm gonna get shouted at. But is there any cad software out there that's inexpensive and can be run with Linux?


Mark, did not you see my post about Blender ? It's just great for 3D work and is freely available for Linux and Windows...

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RE: Modeling Software - 10/5/2008 2:28 AM   
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The latest CAD software I've tried is Solid Edge 2D V20. I have a couple hours worth of use and it seems like a very good 2D program. I use Solidworks on a daily basis and this reminds me of the simplicity of my old Cadkey software with much of the functionality and ease of use features of Solidworks. Best part is it's a free download. You need to give them your info and autorenew your license every 30days, but that's not a huge issue.

http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/velocity/solidedge/free2d/index.shtml

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RE: Modeling Software - 10/13/2008 1:30 PM   
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Hi Gang,

I'll give a little background info about me before I talk about what I use for drawing/cad/cam etc.

I've been in the 3D development business for a little over 15 years. In that time I've used any
number of applications for modeling purposes. I've designed and sold many different 3D models
for and used by the gaming industry.

If I'm going to develop a 3D model for a game, I would choose 3D Studio over just about anything
else. One reason being that I've used it for years, and the time it would take to learn something
else would be a waste when I could do the same thing in 3DS and get 'er done.

With that being said, here's the programs I use and why for RC aircraft design.


DeltaCad for creating parts/line drawings.

DeltaCad is very inexpensive, and many rc builders could afford it. I think it's around 30 US bucks
or so. It's also very easy to learn and use.

No, it doesn't do "3D" modeling.
No, it doesn't do 3D rendering.

What it does do is create very accurate line drawings and .dxf files for exporting.

In my personal view, using anything else is just more time consuming and a waste of money. I
know folks like to view their creations in 3D and get those pretty renders, but for the little guys
and gals who can't afford $1800 and more to play around with rc aircraft ideas, then DeltaCad
is a very real option to get 're done.


Next, is SheetCam.

After I export my .dxf files, I import them into SheetCam which converts them to G-Code so
my CNC machines can cut the parts. SheetCam is around $160 US.

SheetCam is very intuitive and easy to learn. SheetCam is NOT needed by the average person
who simply wants to get their parts designed and an aircraft plan finished up. If you have a CNC
wood router, then it might well be for you. The designer of the program designed it for cutting
"sheet" materials, so the end user doesn't have to worry about editing the daylights out of g-code
that's been created via a "3D Mesh" software.


Tile Print

I just purchased Tile Print about a week ago to see how it would work for printing plans via a
standard printer. If you don't have access to a plotter or larger printer, then this may be an
answer to your plans printing needs. Price is $16 US.

Some things to remember about Tile Print...

1) Make sure to remove the bordering from your printer setup before printing or you'll end up with
a little un-printed area around each sheet. This my not be a bad thing, as you could use this area to
line up the prints and glue/tape them together. But you'll also have to cut one side of each sheet when
doing so.

2) The only thing I really don't like about Tile Print, is the scale tool setup. You have to make sure
you add a line to your drawings, say about 4 or 5 inches in length, then when in Tile Print, use the scale
tool to match the scale of the drawings or CAD plan. The problem is, is that you will never get the scale
"dead nuts" on using this technique, although you can get it extremely close in most cases.


I hope this has been helpful to others and I believe this is what the thread starter was looking for, for
information.

You can find all of the above applications via Google, just type the name of the app., and it should be at the
very top of the results page. Tile Print is sold via BlackFlight Models.

I make these recommendations via many years of experience in modeling, both RC aircraft and 3D modeling.
If I wanted to, I could easily use AutoCad or 3D Studio for my development work, but as stated, it's more
time consuming and just not necessary.

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RE: Modeling Software - 1/17/2009 10:20 AM   
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Patrick,

I have to agree with you in regards to DeltaCad. I have used it for a while now and I think it is a great software package for generating print. I have made several designs using DeltaCad and it is easy to learn and use.

I am an aerospace engineer and have been working with CAD systems since the early '80's. I currently work with CATIA V5, and have worked with CATIA V4 also. Yes, CATIA V5 is a very good package for generating 3D models. Yet, it is very expensive to purchase for home use.

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RE: Modeling Software - 1/25/2009 2:50 AM   
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The money issue...

Short version: Do some very careful "window shopping", comparing software, then buy the best tools you can afford.

I'm a person who would love to have some of the hugely-expensive software packages. But, I've always felt forced to give this a lot of thought, and to make the most of whatever tools I could afford. For many years, I used "Carrara Studio", with brief periods including AutoCad and LightWave. The one I settled on last year was Luxology's "modo", ( http://www.luxology.com ) which is a modern, and in my opinion, brilliant set of 3D modeling tools. ( My work with it modo is at http://www.mikejamesmedia.com ) There is a "line" of sorts, at the other end of the spectrum, which is that if you go "too cheap", you'll just end up frustrated. Be wary of software that produces only it's own proprietary file types, for example. If that company folds, you've got trouble. And, there's a reason, as a rule, that some of the major companies offer cheaper versions of their software. They don't have the features you probably will want later, forcing you to upgrade. "Blender", in my opinion, is the exception to that. It's a GREAT set of tools, free, including all kinds of advanced features... even particle effects. (http://www.blender.org )

When it comes to RC and other fabrication-oriented projects, most people want to create the model very easily, and then push a button to export useable drafting-style (2D) plans. That's understandable, but that's what differentiates the software too. Some are "3D modeling applications", and some are "drafting-style applications". BUT... There is a workaround, when you want to create great 3D models, but don't want to use (or can't afford) the drafting-style packages. I've done it for years, which is how I know it works.

If you're an RC-er that's competent enough to design your own planes, then you've probably seen MANY plans, and understand how RC planes of different types are built. So... Every 3D program I've used has the ability to view the model through an orthographic (no divergence or convergence) camera, and to print out images of those views, at whatever dpi you need. So, print out a top, side, and bottom view of your model, at the scale you like. (This is cheap, especially if black and white, at places like "Kinko's".) then trace them onto vellum, and make your plans, based on the accurate outlines and cross sections you'll have. It's not that much work, and is a good alternative to spending several hundred, or even several thousand more dollars. Using a pencil also gives you the opportunity to change things that might not have been obvious in the design. You can also make different versions of your design... One for balsa, one for molding, for example. All you need is a flat surface, some long straight edges, and perhaps some other basic drafting tools, such as French curves.

One of the advantages (to me) of 3D modeling applications, over some of the 2D drafting applications, is that it lets you visualize the model more realistically, before settling on the final design. You can change the exterior shapes, check how the control system and other RC gear will be installed, and even experiment with color schemes. In the marketing world (not just including RC planes) that kind of flexibility is vital, to show clients proposed changes, before going to the manufacturing stage.

Anyway, there are some things to think about. You might be able to accomplish what you want, with a 3D modeling package that's much less expensive than some of the "CNC-ready", and expensive packages. And, although it sometimes requires some extra steps, most common 3D file formats can be converted to machine-ready files, by the people that use CNC machines for a living. (I've had it done with some of my past projects, from dxf, obj, and 3ds files.)


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RE: Modeling Software - 3/4/2009 7:09 PM   
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Hi,

I have just joined the Catia course.. but i really dont know to use auto cad so can we also draw plain 2d drawings in Catia & import in auto cad is it possible please let me know. I need the drawings for laser cutting purpose.




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Patrick,

I have to agree with you in regards to DeltaCad. I have used it for a while now and I think it is a great software package for generating print. I have made several designs using DeltaCad and it is easy to learn and use.

I am an aerospace engineer and have been working with CAD systems since the early '80's. I currently work with CATIA V5, and have worked with CATIA V4 also. Yes, CATIA V5 is a very good package for generating 3D models. Yet, it is very expensive to purchase for home use.



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RE: Modeling Software - 3/18/2009 6:14 PM   
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As I read this thread it appeared some people are truly new to cad design. and should start out by reading a book or two before plunking the money on a cad program.

the used book stores are the cheapest place to get knowledge short of the public library.

that being said I think a good start cad program is" model cad" I have two versions From swap meets for little to nothing and from what I have read here would be more than enough to get most would be designers on the road to success.

I used everything from catia to pencils and MODELCAD was the easiest. NO! I do not get royalties.


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RE: Modeling Software - 8/24/2009 11:19 PM   
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I thought you guys might want to take a look at this...Alibre Design for $99.00. That is insane $900 off.

http://mkt.alibre.com/l/1004/2009-08-04/EI16A

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RE: Modeling Software - 10/27/2009 3:32 AM   
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Hello,

Intersested in the most basic CAD program (freeware) for doing profile models. No airfoils, just profile fuselage wing and tail. Other capabilites OK but just getting some starts for profile foam plane designs.

Thanks,
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RE: Modeling Software - 10/27/2009 3:33 AM   
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P.S. Please show the web link to get to it....

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