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Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 7/30/2004 4:17:57 AM

Skullder

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This is just a short review for the SS .40 since i couldn't find any others on site.

Specifications:
Wingspan- 52.75 ''
Length- 48''
Wing Area- 593 sq. in.
Rec Engines: .40 - .46 2C
.50 - .56 4c
Engine Used: .52 Vmax Pro

This is my 2nd glow engine plane so I don't have very much to compare to.

Construction:

Construction was quite easy and only took three days, although the actual time spent working on the plane was around 6 hours more or less.
The aluminum engine mount comes preinstalled and uses a clamp on design so no drilling is required. All piece were covered well with no wrinkles. All parts of the plane fit together nicely.
The only misses are the wing dihedral, which calls for 3/8'' - for a snug fit my dihedral was a bit over an inch. Also, the two long rods which are supposed to be threaded were not so i just made z-bends.
As a bonus, the plane comes with hardware for both a taildragger and tricycle setup. I chose taildragger.

The plane came out tail-heavy, so i attached the battery pack and two additional cells to the front of the plane.

First Flight:

I had some trouble with the first flight since this is my first non-trainer plane. Since the r/c airfield had been sold to the city, i flew the plane off a road on the city outskirts. With trees lining tall on one side and a ditch on the other side, it was pretty stupid of me to fly there. I could find no better place though.

The plane picked up speed fast but still took its time getting into the air. On low rates, the elevator was very ineffective. After a bit of up-trim the plane flew well. The plane felt really tipsy and flew very fast compared to the SIG LT-40. Whenever i slowed down the plane would descend. Still though, the plane was fun to fly. On high rates the plane flew well, provided i didn't slow down. After a few practice passes and close calls with the trees, i lined the plane up and landed it with some difficulty, except i forgot to close the throttle trim so the plane didn't slow down AT ALL until it crossed the road and went into 1 metre tall grass when i tried to lift off again. No damage.

Second flight:

The second flight was a lot better. This time i flew off a small piece of bumpy land surrounded by 2ft tall grass and a large hill on the other side. I replaced the front foam tires with 3.5'' dubro tires and removed the weights from the front of the airplane.

The plane flew straight and perfectly. Turns were tight and aerobatics were good. However, the plane couldn't fly vertical forever. This plane is a good step up from a trainer but might be a bit fast for flying from random areas (unless you've flown it for a bit). Landing was a bit of a problem; with full flaps i came in perpendicular to the 'runway' but fell about 6 inches short and went into the tall grass. No damage again.

I will probably move the CG back a bit to make the plane more twitchy.

Overall, the plane is a good fun flying plane. It does everything well but nothing extremely well. I would recommend it as a 2nd plane if you have a real runway or airfield for first flights. This plane is the type of plane one can just kick around and do anything with since its so cheap. The ultrastick .40 may be better with its quad flaps, but i prefer the smaller wingspan of the super stick since i dont need to unbolt the wing for transport.

Here are a couple bad quality pictures.

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 8/8/2004 6:37:15 PM

DTB

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Good Job Skullder, I have a SS .40 also.

One item I think that needs to be mentioned is that the plane is covered in shelf paper which can not be handled like monokote or ultrakote. Shelf paper is definately not user friendly. I completely recovered mine because of this. Any cuts have to be repaired using clear shipping tape if possible or any peel and stick covering. I hate shelf paper. The wing ribs are flimsy. I reinforced the wing ribs with a horizontal brace. See photos below and see the horizontal brace between the ribs under the covering.

This plane is indeed fast. Much faster than any trainer. I have a mousse can muffler on mine with an OS .46fx spinning a APC 11x8. My plane has been radared by a fellow club memeber who is a police officer doing well over 100 MPH. I also removed the plastic wing tips and trashed them. I built my own wing tips which look so much better and are more streamline (no bulky wing tips). Standard servos work fine in this plane. The control surfaces are small which is why this plane can be flown at such a fast rate. A Ultra stick should never be tried to be flown as fast as the super stick.

The SS .40 plane is fast, but it is heavy also for it's size. Mine weighs 6 pounds even. This is heavy for a .40 size plane. The Super Stick is built totally different from the Ultra stick 40. This plane will land easily once you get more time at the control. I have a Futaba 9C to operate mine. I have flaperons and spoilerons setup. Spoilerons will allow the plane to do some pretty good harriers. The extra power up front will allow it to be hovered also. Doesn't do very well with the small control surfaces, but will hover and torque roll with enough power, but it is no where near a 3D plane. Very acrobatic though.

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 8/24/2004 11:38:46 PM

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I just finished an ultra stick 40. If anyone is interested I could do a report. let me know. I have not flown it yet but the first flight will be on Sunday. I can't wait.

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 9/2/2004 2:52:10 PM

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I would be interested in the U.S.40 info, as I am in the process of setting up my U.S.60 with a Magnum XLS91a installed. After sticking in an 1800 mah pack behind the servos, the balance comes out pretty darn close. may have to add a tiny bit to the tail.

I also just got a Futaba 7CAP to use with it, and I am having some trouble figuring the right way to set up the flaps to be used with take-off, landing, for just air brakes by themselves and also for the crow setup. Also getting mixed 'signals' (excuse the pun) about whether to be using ch1 + 7 for ailerons with ch 5 + 6 for flaps, or to use ch 1 + 6 for ailerons and ch 5 + 7 for flaps.

Anyone supplying specific setup details would would have my gratitude.

Martyn

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 9/2/2004 6:47:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Ultra Stick

I just finished an ultra stick 40. If anyone is interested I could do a report. let me know. I have not flown it yet but the first flight will be on Sunday. I can't wait.

Ultra, how did the flight go?

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 9/2/2004 6:59:22 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: griffinmt

I would be interested in the U.S.40 info, as I am in the process of setting up my U.S.60 with a Magnum XLS91a installed. After sticking in an 1800 mah pack behind the servos, the balance comes out pretty darn close. may have to add a tiny bit to the tail.

I also just got a Futaba 7CAP to use with it, and I am having some trouble figuring the right way to set up the flaps to be used with take-off, landing, for just air brakes by themselves and also for the crow setup. Also getting mixed 'signals' (excuse the pun) about whether to be using ch1 + 7 for ailerons with ch 5 + 6 for flaps, or to use ch 1 + 6 for ailerons and ch 5 + 7 for flaps.

Anyone supplying specific setup details would would have my gratitude.

Martyn

I have a 9C which the 7C is close to, but not the same. Some of the programming is different and the operation of the radio is different.

First read the manual, this has a lot of useful information about setting up channels. If I can remember correctly, set the aileron on Ch 1 and Ch 6. Flaps for 5 and 7. You will have to do some mixing. 7 servos and a 7-ch radio. You will use all your mixes doing this. Being that I am at work and not in front of my radio or manual. Just start off with reading the manual. It should have a section in there indicating how to set this up.

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 9/2/2004 7:33:31 PM

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quote:

I have a 9C which the 7C is close to, but not the same. Some of the programming is different and the operation of the radio is different.

First read the manual, this has a lot of useful information about setting up channels. If I can remember correctly, set the aileron on Ch 1 and Ch 6. Flaps for 5 and 7. You will have to do some mixing. 7 servos and a 7-ch radio. You will use all your mixes doing this. Being that I am at work and not in front of my radio or manual. Just start off with reading the manual. It should have a section in there indicating how to set this up.

Never having seen a 9c, it is hard for me to judge how similar they are. But when trying to follow the numerous examples posted about the 9c, the process begins to differ in a hurry.
As far as the manual is concerned, there are lots of discrete examples for doing various things that are essentially straight forward. But the correct combination of settings (and sequence) for setting the flaps normal, low, high, and for crow do not exist. The closest they come is doing this for Flaperon settings, not for discrete Flaps.
Just when I think it is going ok, I find that the flap on Ch6 moves but Ch5 doesn't. While tring to resolve this, I end up with one flap high and the other neutral when in normal mode (etc etc).
Now I understand why several of the folks I know got the JR 8103 when they got their sticks. It covers all the steps to do this in the back of the stick manual.

Martyn

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 9/2/2004 11:22:45 PM

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quote:

Never having seen a 9c, it is hard for me to judge how similar they are. But when trying to follow the numerous examples posted about the 9c, the process begins to differ in a hurry.
As far as the manual is concerned, there are lots of discrete examples for doing various things that are essentially straight forward. But the correct combination of settings (and sequence) for setting the flaps normal, low, high, and for crow do not exist. The closest they come is doing this for Flaperon settings, not for discrete Flaps.
Just when I think it is going ok, I find that the flap on Ch6 moves but Ch5 doesn't. While tring to resolve this, I end up with one flap high and the other neutral when in normal mode (etc etc).
Now I understand why several of the folks I know got the JR 8103 when they got their sticks. It covers all the steps to do this in the back of the stick manual.

Martyn

Hey Martyn Wait, Futaba makes great radios. The instruction manual may not show what you want to do, but don't down the entire company for that.

I can't believe you've never seen a 9C. Below are the comparisions. The 7C is a fine radio, but can't touch the 9C.

Futaba 7CA Air

Rating: 3 / 5
Usage: Air
Channels: 7
Modulation: PPM/PCM
Frequency: 72
Computerized: Yes

General Specs:
- Trainer Mode: Both
- Mode Select: Yes
- 10 Models

Controls and Trim:
- Analog Trim
- 7 Channel Servo Reverse

Special Functions:
- 3 Mixes

Acrobatic Functions
- Aileron to Rudder Mixing
- Air Brake Control
- Elevator to Flap Mixing
- Elevon Function
- Flapperon Function
- Snap Roll Switch
- V-Tail Function

Applications:
- All Purpose
- Basic Trainer
- Combat
- Competition Airplanes
- Pattern/Aerobatics
- Standard Airplane

Street Price:
$319.99

Futaba 9CA Air

Rating: 5 / 5
Usage: Air
Channels: 9
Modulation: PCM
Frequency: 72Mhz
Computerized: Yes

General Specs:
- Trainer Mode: Both
- Mode Select: No
- 8 Models
- Model Copy

Controls and Trim:
- Digital Trim
- Trim Reset
- Trim Memory
- Sub Trim
- 9 Channel Servo Reverse
- 2 Slide Controls

Special Functions:
- 7 Mixes
- End Point Adj.
- Dual Rates
- Exponential
- ATL
- Assignable Switches
- Assignable Channels

Display Warning:
- LCD Display
- Low Battery Warning
- Timer

Acrobatic Functions
- Aileron Differential
- Aileron to Rudder Mixing
- Elevator to Flap Mixing
- Elevon Function
- Flap to Aileron
- Flap to Elevator
- Flap Travel
- Flapperon Function
- Landing Mix
- Snap Roll Switch

Helicopter Functions
- Governor Program
- Gyro Program
- Idle Up
- Pitch Curve
- Pitch Trim
- Revo Mix
- Rudder to Throttle
- Swash AFR (CCPM)
- Swash Select
- Swash Throttle Mix
- Swash Type
- Throttle Curve
- Throttle Cut
- Throttle Hold

Sailplane Functions
- Adjustable Exponential
- Aileron Differential
- Aileron to Flap Mixing
- Air Brake Function
- Butterfly Mixing
- Elevator to flap
- Elevon Function
- Flap to Aileron Mixing
- Flap Travel
- Flapperon Function
- Speed Presets
- Start Presets

Applications:
- All Purpose
- CCPM Helicopter
- Competition
- Competition Airplanes
- Competition Helicopter
- Competition Sailplane
- Pattern/Aerobatics

Street Price:
$349.99

Notes:
Price includes receiver, but not servos.

I did a search on www.Futabarc.com and found this for you.

Is the 7C capable of being used with a complex 7-servo aerobatic model with separate flap and aileron servos?
Yes, but while you can use it with one such as the Ultra Stick, it is somewhat limited and not capable of full span ailerons.

First you will need to plug your flaps into channels 5 and 7. Next go into your Para menu and make channel 5 Null.

Next you will need to activate Flaperons and Flap Trim, setting the percentage of your Flap Trim as needed. Then go into your Airbrake menu and activate it, again setting the percentages as needed.

Now you will want to go into your Elevator/Flap mix and activate it. Select your 3-position switch for this and once you have set your percentages as needed, you will want to make this active in the Up position.

Then we will want to do three Pmixes.

The first one will be Offset as master, to channel 7, put this on your 3-way switch in the Down position, and set the rate to +100%.

The second one will be Offset as master, to channel 5, again put this on the 3-way switch in the Down position and set the rate to +100%.

The third will be for your Flaps on a separate switch, so go into the Pmix, making Offset the master once more, and make channel 5 the slave. Set this to a separate switch in the Down position and make the rate -100%. Now you will want to go into Para and set channel 7 to whichever switch you want to control channel 5 and 7. Let's say switch E. Just remember to leave channel 5 Nulled.

This will give you the following.

3-way switch in the Up position will give you some Aileron with your Elevator, in the Center position you will have normal functions of all channels, in the Down position you will have Airbrake with up flaperons, down flaps, and down elevator.

You should be set now. Sometime, all you have to do is do a little searching.

Let us know how it goes,
DTB

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 9/2/2004 11:24:41 PM

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Double posted by mistake

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 9/3/2004 1:22:20 AM

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Thanks,

I had found the FAQ at Futaba, but had no luck with it. I think that is because the entire description is taken out of context with all the rest of the setup activities ( - or maybe I am dumber than I look!)

I 'seem' to have it close to what I want by just starting from scratch on a reset model entry. My channels are as follows:

1-Right Aileron
2-Elevator
3-Throttle
4-Rudder
5-Right Flap
6-Left Flap
7-Left Aileron

The model has the following characteristics:

All switches UP/CENTER for normal mode.
D/R,EXP  SW>-  CH>1-AIL  D/R> 100%  EXP> 0%
E.POINT   (as needed to limit throws)
              Ch5> 90% , 75%
              Ch7> 90% , 75%
SUB-TRIM (as needed to 'center' servos)
              Ch1> +40
              Ch2> +33
              Ch3> -100
              Ch4> +25
              Ch5> -8
              Ch6> -100
              Ch7> -22
REVERSE  Ch3 , Ch7
TH-CUT  RATE> 22%   SW> F(down)
PARAMETER  TYPE>ACRO  MODUL>PPM
                   CH5-SW> G
                   CH7-SW> G
TIMER   TIME> 07:00   MODE>DOWN   SW> A(down)

PMIX1  ON/OFF MAS> OFS  SLV> CH1  SW> G(back)  RT> +100%
PMIX2  ON/OFF MAS> OFS  SLV> CH6  SW> G(back)  RT> -100%
PMIX3  INH
FLAPRN  ON  DIFF> 0%   AIL-2>CH6
FL-TRIM  ON  RT> 0% , 0%
A.BRAKE ON/OFF  ELE> 0%   FLP> 0%
ELE-FLP  ON  RT> 0%  SW>--
FLP-ELE  INH
V-TAIL  INH
ELEVON  INH
AIL-RUD  INH
SNAP  INH

Obviously, this isn't final. I have full thows for all and they need to be adjusted appropriately, and capabilities such as SNAP have not been set up yet. I will do those later when the above basic setup is trimmed and airworthy.

But I am still willing to try a very different setup if anyone has it working properly (without Y cables).

Martyn

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RE: Hangar 9 Super Stick .40 - 9/3/2004 4:30:39 AM

Skullder

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well i did the next few flights at an abandoned oilrig inside a huge wheat field. i removed the blue exhaust extension on my last flight and the plane started to handle better, fly faster, engine sounded nicer, and vertical improved tremendously...almost unlimited vertical maybe? i dont know, because i crashed the plane soon after

i decided to do an outside loop, and since i was speeding along at full throttle the diameter of the loop was larger than the distance from the plane to the ground..just as i thought it would pull up, the plane plowed into the ground..i was half expecting it to skim the crops and keep flying. Damage? surprizingly, only a broken prop, detached gear, a few bent screws, and a detached tail. The main reason i crashed was because the plane was further out than i thought it was, and did the loop over the peak of a hill...at least thats what i like to think.

Anyway, all the damage is repaired but i wont be flying the plane anytime soon since i moved outa the city. The SS sure is sturdy though.

And DTB: I couldnt agree with you more - the planes a flying brick

Also, i havent had problems with the wing ribs- even with my crappy flying.
Im not to sure about the covering though since this is only my second balsa plane.

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