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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 3/30/2005 7:49:27 PM   
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Since this thread still seems much alive, I would like to comment on a statement made by Mike and followed up by DP -

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As far as the request for kits, that us an interesting idea. On the surface it seems pretty simple, however one huge road block is the development of a construction manual. To do one for a kit to H9 standards would be a huge undertaking. I remember from my days at Midwest, it took us longer to produce a construction manual than it did to design, prototype, test and finalize the model.
I don't believe we could recoup the investment it would take to kit our models.


While I understand that apprehension concerning ROI, there is a fairly simple, reduced risk way to test the theory. Regardless of who is putting the model together - ARF or kit - the parts are already cut. Whoever is putting the ARF's together has to have some instruction, even if it's !QUOT!...put these parts into that jig and glue...!QUOT!. I am pretty sure the ARF's are being manufactured in some form of assembly line sub-assembly fashion. Take some additional pictures, put a couple of paragraphs together and call it a manual. Hell, don't even call it that, make it an addendum and the guys building the first few will re-write the manual for you anyway.

I'm not saying push major dollars into advertisement, re-packaging, etc. If the ARF fits in one or two boxes - so do the parts it took to build them. Determine the per unit price reduction of labor and materials that do not go into the 'short kit', and offer at a reduced rate comparable to your required margins and whatever you believe the market will bear.

The best part, no re-tooling, acquisition of license, modification to existing distribution chain or any of that would really be required. Design a strategy for MINIMAL requests - set some parts aside and package them up in existing packaging, modified for PARTS instead of finished sub assemblies. Set your price, advertise word of mouth, require special orders so you can control the inventory and the process - this also aides in ensuring that the customer understands the conditions of sale for a 'limited time' product with minimal documentation. This therefore reducing the risk of reputation of the H9 line which is clearly in good standing. If you only get a nibble, what have you lost? If the floodgates open, you just found yourself in a new market.

This is only an suggestion and an overview from about 10,000ft. I understand that there is still much more brainstorming and due diligence required, but, spec it out and run up some numbers. I think if you ask and look around, while there is definitely a swing in kit to ARF market-share, you will find MANY folks would STILL rather build. Was this ARF trend brought on by the everyday modeler who wants to fly airplanes or the manufacturer who wanted to reduce overhead and increase profit margin while maintaining competition with emerging overseas manufacturers?

Given the option - which is becoming harder to find - I would rather build an airplane to my specifications than glue a couple parts on a fuselage and add an engine and some servos. With a set of plans, I can always get some lumber and build more or easily repair a mishap. Then again, there may just be an after retirement career for me - take broken ARF's out of the burn barrel, re-build them, and sell the 'New and Improved' plane back to it's original owner.

Just IMHO -


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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/6/2005 6:10:48 PM   
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Mike,

I cant wait to get my hands on the new 27% 260. First I would like to say thanks for considering those that want the cannister. Second, what size 3-blade prop do you recommend for this model and the DA-50?

Thanks.

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/7/2005 3:05:37 AM   
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It would be nice if all the Hanger 9 offerings were at least offered in an ARC. And better yet kit form. A 50cc Katana/Funtana would be a blast also. Construction manual at Midwest? A.J. left..Call me , Walt

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/7/2005 4:59:58 PM   
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In the 50cc class, I would love to see a single seat Sukhoi around 83" span, able to accept a pipe, and with actual scale lines to the front end. Wildhare announced an 87," two seat, composite version, but the price may be more than I want to spend on a 50cc size plane.

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/8/2005 3:04:03 PM   
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Mike,
Has Hanger9 thought about releasing Peter Goldsmiths 46% cap as an ARF?
I would love to own a big cap

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/22/2005 6:36:31 AM   
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How you doing Mike?

I just stumbled across this forum and thought I would ask someone higher up the food chain. Why is it that everyone builds a cessna skylane? The one plane I have always wanted to see is a cessna 180 or 185 in 1/4 scale. why is everyone stuck on the 182?

Ps. we have an H9 skylane 1.50 in my group of flying friends and absolutly love it . We would just like to see a tail dragger with those lines. Any idea why nobody makes one?

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/22/2005 3:42:32 PM   
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I guess the simple answer is that the 182 seems to have the broadest appeal.

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/25/2005 8:59:40 PM   
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ordered the 260 and was getting my ducks in a row before it arrives
what size standoffs for the da50
what size wing and stab tube(to see if any carbon fiber are available)

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/26/2005 1:12:18 AM   
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Im thinking ZDZ 40.. and im defanantly getting one.. I like mikes other design the 33% extra. Ive flown my friends quite a few times..HEy mike how does it fly compared to the 33? i know its a 260 so i would think it would be even more solid in harriers etc.

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/26/2005 2:29:37 PM   
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It is more neutral than the 330 and has more rudder authority.

I dont know which 3b prop is best. I've only used a 2b 23 x 8 mej.

I doubt you'll find a CF stab tube and it really isnt eorth the effort for the few grams it would save.

I cantremember which DA 50 standoffs its built around. Is there a "standard" length from DA? If so thats it. I'll have to check.

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/26/2005 8:37:21 PM   
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Hi Mike...

Hey, where can we get more info on the new H9 Extra 260? I am thinkin this is my next step up the ladder in scale, happily flying an F90 now. LOVE your work, and H9 quality. The Horizon site has very little detail. Are there any write-ups anywhere? How about a video?

Thanks in advance,

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/26/2005 11:04:40 PM   
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There isnt any info on-line yet other than on our site. What do you want to know? Were wording on video. We have some shot that we played at Toledo, and are working to ge it online.

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/26/2005 11:39:40 PM   
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Mike,

My curiosity is a result of my lack of knowledge, so please excuse stupid questions. I suppose I want to know about things like this:

Building:
1. What are the Servo Recommendations? Minumum Torque?
2. Are any of the control suirfaces requiring, or have options for multiple servos?
3. Is any of the tailfeathers on pull-pull?
4. Does it come with a fuel tank? If so, what size?
5. Are the servos conceiled on the wings or fuse?
6. Does it include an engine mount for nitro installs?
7. What hardware is included, and what hardware is required to buy separatly?
8. Is the stock hardware better than F90 stuff, or about the same?
9. What does it look like on the underside?
10. Is there a decal scheme planned?
11. Will the DA-50 be the limit of gasser capacity?
- or- is this another F90 where the recommended engine leaves it "underpowered"?
12. Do the tailfeathers come off for transport?
13. Is it balanced for the heavier DA-50, so we will need weight on the nose for the smaller nitro engine selections?

Flying:
1. Is this an "advanced" aircraft requiring high levels of skill to manage?
2. How is 3D & Pattern performance? (Hover/Harrier/Blender/Flat-Spin/Snap/KE, etc.)
3. Does it have any inherent snap tendencies?
4. Does it land hot, or float like an F90?
5. Are there any manuevers that you found "difficult" or "challenging"?
6. How agressive was verticle pullout with the DA-50?
7. Have you flown one with a big Saito yet?

I'm sure those of us seeing this as a stepping-stone from nitro planes to gasser's are curious and excited to see an affordable entry level plane like this. You guys are gonna kill 'em with this one if it fills the expectations.

I have many more questions... but I'lll leave it at this for now. Maybe you could start a thread for this bad-boy? I don't want to hijack this "new products" thread. I thnk you are going to see huge interest in this one.


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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/26/2005 11:45:38 PM   
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Mike,

Sorry, just noticed the Manual is on the HH site... many of these questions will be answered there. But, I welcome comments anyway for any and all items...

Thank you!

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RE: New Hanger 9 Planes - 4/27/2005 1:20:48 PM   
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Mike,
can we expect Hanger 9 to release another spectacular plane soon? If so how near in the future?

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