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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/16/2004 4:51:45 PM   
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I'll add that, for me, the idea of using CAD to design model plans is totally anathema to what I feel model building is about. It's fine for people who intend to market kits (or send their own plans out to be laser cut -- shame on you!) but I don't want to be an computer engineer -- I just want to build -- and fly -- great looking models.


I think we all want to build and fly great looking models. To me it doesn't matter what tool or method was used in the designing and/or building whether it be plans, paper and pencil, CAD or whatever. I totally agree with Dick, To each his own, Live and let live. I think i'll get back to drawing with my TurboCad now.

Dick, fantastic looking plane! I wish i could see it fly.

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/16/2004 7:21:19 PM   
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to answer your wish. have a couple video guys lined up for the 'heart in hand 1st flight'. it will not be me on the sticks, its one of our super flyers. stay tuned for the next one coming out of my hand designed and built 1 of a kind model, have to admit that I start with a 3 vu generated by someone else-- everything thereafter is by DICK. also other things I have learned is-- do Not get attached to your models, crash's, bubbo's, oh sh--s are part of our game. this is probably why a couple of my business's nose dived. dick

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/17/2004 4:34:14 AM   
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I knew that Bill, I was trying to take the bullet for ya!

For anyone that feels that pencil and paper is the ONLY way to go I've got a lovely oversized Vemco draughting machine that needs a good home for cheap. The only way you'll take my TurboCAD away from me now is to pry it from my cold, dead fingers.

Truth be told I do love the look of a finely done pencil drawing with hand lettering. It raises the plan to the level of an artwork that CAD will never approach. I've done both and I may do some pencil and paper work in the future if I feel the need to be nostalgic but in the meantime I just can't give up the ease of CAD. But it DID take me a long time to get to this point and I don't blame any of you that don't want to trod up THAT learning curve. It's steep and full of brambles.

Join us next week when we tackle the topic of "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin". Until then PLEASE go and build something..... ANYTHING!


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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/17/2004 5:05:11 AM   
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Bruce:

Appreciate the effort.

Your draughting machine? Had you not said it was oversized I'd be tempted to pay the freight to get it down here. I still have my original set of drawing instruments, I've had them 48 years now.

My last word on the subject of the thread (maybe): you will have noticed that every article including plans for building a plane has a line in it on the order of "Gather the materials and make a kit..."

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/17/2004 5:59:08 AM   
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Here we go again......

I used the analogy last time this came up and I'll use it again. If I take raw flour, sugar, milk, eggs, etc and mix them together and bake them, I have a SCRATCH cake. It's SCRATCH because I did not use a boxed mix. I DON'T have to make up my own recipe for my cake to be SCRATCH. I can, but I don't have to.

If it's MORE "scratch" to draw your own plans and then build, is it even MORE so if I also grow my own balsa tree, weave my own covering material and mix my own glue? We can take this argument to some ridiculous levels.

Let's all go fly instead.

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/17/2004 1:11:20 PM   
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Did someone say pompous? 1.Marked by excessive self-esteemor exaggerated dignity; pretentious. 2.Full of high-sounding phrases. I consulted the dictionary for the correct spelling this time.

"you will have noticed that every article including plans for building a plane has a line in it"
More opinion.


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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/17/2004 7:52:46 PM   
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IMHO, I had this in another post but it is relevent to this thread. I prefer scratch-building from plans. Just because I follow someone else's directions does not mean it is not scratch built. It is in my opinion scratch built if you cut all your own pieces from raw material without a kit. I know, I know, alot of people don't consider it scratch building from someone elses plans. I personally feel that all designers are scratch builders but not all scratch builders are designers. I have a lot of respect for designers considering I can't design two sticks glued together without someone else,s plans. My hat is off to all the designers out there.

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/17/2004 9:09:53 PM   
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Wither it is your plans or some one elses it's scratch building. This covers a lot. As soon as you buy a kit or even precut ribs it's no longer scratch building. You have to cut out all the parts yourself.

Then what about the old Guillows kits where the parts are printed on the balsa?

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/18/2004 4:20:47 AM   
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Who cares? thats correct -- only you as the builder and flyer cares. there are so many personal definitions floating around that the subject shud be ignoredand more time spent on building models. its time to kill the subject. dick

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/18/2004 5:00:30 AM   
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Amen to that cause at one time or another we or most of us have scratched a plane or two. I prefer to build and not open a box and shake out a plane and go fly. But it does have its advantages though. My CE looks good but also my rebuild Voyager looks good to and it was modified into a twin (last crash took its toll so had to rebuild the whole thing) The only original part is the cockpit and wheels.

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/18/2004 5:40:49 PM   
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quote:

it all boils down to WHO CARES!!
Some people care because they have something to discuss and they want to do it in the right place. They can't do that if they don't know what the community means by the name that's on the forum.

For anyone who cares, I design and build airplanes and, IMHO, if you take my plans, cut parts according to them, and assemble the results into a plane, you have scratch built that plane.

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/19/2004 2:41:44 AM   
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I started this topic to see how other modelers felt about building. I didn't mean to upset anyone. I was trying to make it lite hearted hens the rats #$%#! part of the topic. It seams some of you take it more seriously than you should. If someone tells you your project isn't correct, does that make them right and you wrong? Everyone has an opinion, right or wrong (thats what makes the world go round) how you handle it is what counts. If you put your heart and soul into whatever it is your doing, thats what counts! Truly scratch building is anything you use your hands to craft something from nothing, whether it's from plans or something you came up with on your own. I've seen people who can build kits, I've seen people who can't put together ARF's. Does it matter? I've seen modelers show me their planes that they built from scratch, and they look like scrap (wrong word), they put their heart into it, thats the best they can do. Why tell them it looks like scrap, when instead you can be proud of what they have accomplished. Some people can build planes that will blow your mind, can't understand how it can look so real! Does that make you a bad modeler? NO! your just not at that skill level yet! or you may never get there, who cares? As long as you enjoy what your doing, thats what counts. I've enjoyed RC during the short time I've been involved. I became interested after remembering as a young kid (4 or 5), my dad put together two models, a fokker Dr1, and a Sopwith Camel. We spent this time at the kitchen table, and when he was finished, he hung them over my bed. Later, in his life, he was diagnosed with cancer. I spent time with him at home after surgery and during treatment, hoping to keep his spirits up, but finding most of our time in front of the TV saying nothing. One day I asked my dad if he remembered building those models, he said yes! It seamed to spark something(my dad was a design engineer for a packaging co. he even used a cad!). I asked him if he would like to build a couple of rc kits that were the same, he loved the idea. It took me some time to find a hobby store that would sell me a couple of WWI kits without any experience with rc planes, they thought I was nuts to start this hobby without a trainer, they didn't understand that it was mostly to spend time with my dad and not to try and use these planes to learn to fly. We had a great time putting these kits together, my dad died before we could finish them. Good time though, good times.... Many years passed and the planes sat unfinished. I probably won't finish them, kind'a like to leave them the way they are. My mom asked me if I was ever going to finish them? I said no, made her feel bad and decided to build a 1/4 scale Dr1 and Sopwith Camel. Started drawing the tripe,building it, then I joined a rc club, learned to fly with a trainer, moved on to a low wing tail dragger, totaled it, rebuilt it, still have it, scratch built a 60 size stick, got cocky, totaled it, rebuilt it, still got it. Anyway, close to finishing the tripe, I love this hobby! My mom said, make sure you let me know when you fly that plane! I want to be there and I'm sure your dad will be there too.I love my dad! miss him! EVERYONE has an opinion, right or wrong, learn from it, use it, have the best time you can have in whatever it is you enjoy and hopefully there will always be someone to enjoy it with you! Hopefully we can put this question to rest! Be proud of whatever it is you do! GOOD TIMES! thats what counts!

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/19/2004 3:12:55 AM   
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Bill,

I like Zoro's idea lets enjoy the hobby. Please end the post. No more good will come from it.


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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/19/2004 3:29:16 AM   
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appreciate your response. I am with you. my peeve is the pompos verbos atitude that some of the contributors expond over. in my opinion it gives the newcomer an attitude of- 'I don't knw if I want to get involved in this game'. I have spent many years in the aircraft industry as structural design engineer and at one time could keep up with the technology-- but that has passed me by and I have to rely on the old school of structural design and build of FULL SCALE aircraft and SPACE VEHICLES. as I have said in the past--the computor confuse's me-- have a rough time sending email. however the ruler and multiplication methods are still functionable. my forte' is blowing up (enlarging a small 3" 3 veiw to my desired wing span) of unusual WW1 thru 1930's aircraft- usually in the 80" + range, adding the structural design, building it and finally trying to fly it,, with help. again all of the above is a result of over 70 years of effort. so any how --I will continue my way of doing it--without verbage of what its called, untill the model is built and tried to fly. end of episle. dick PS if any body needs help-- please ask !!!

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RE: what's your definition of scratch building? - 8/19/2004 7:29:26 AM   
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I'm with Vicman. This topic has been done to death before and no good ever seems to come of it.

How about we let this thread sink into the abyss and go build something? PLEASE! ! ! !


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