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making fuel - 8/27/2004 1:17:14 AM   
CliffR


 

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Status: offline 		people have been telling me that making your own fuel is alot cheaper. i was wondering if anybody does this, and howyou do it. like what do u use to seperate the different "ingredients" becasue they tell me use like 20 percent of this and 15 percent of this . i was wondering if you guys do this
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RE: making fuel - 8/27/2004 2:45:41 AM   
Jim Thomerson



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Status: offline 		This probably needs to be moved to the fuels forum. Spend a little time there and all your questions will be answered.

Jim

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RE: making fuel - 8/27/2004 11:38:10 AM   
jaka


 

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Many people mix their own fuel...it is very simple.
Just get methanol, oil (castor or synthetic or a mix of both) and some nitro.


Regards!
Jan K
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RE: making fuel - 8/27/2004 1:07:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is cheaper per gallon to mix ones own fuel. The difficulty is in finding a source for the ingredients. Having found a source it is not always easy to buy them in small quantities. So the initial dollar outlay can be high and there is a possibility that you will end up with a 5 gallon can or two kicking around. At 10% one gallon of nitro will mix ten gallons of fuel. If mixing all at once you will need say two gallons of oil and seven gallons of alcohol.

The best places to try first are the "Performance" shops, Go Karts/Motor Cycles and/or dragsters.

Figuring out percentages when using fluid ounces can be a chore. So, when mixing go to Wal Mart's kitchen dept and buy a I litre plastic bottle. These are graduated in millilitres. It makes the percentage measuring much easier.

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RE: making fuel - 8/27/2004 11:19:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		1% of a gallon is 1.28 oz. Not hard to figure, but doing it cc's is much easier.

Jim

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RE: making fuel - 8/29/2004 6:27:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		ok i was told to make 5 gals 10 percent fuel u put 4 cups nitro 4 cups castor 4 cups klots kl 200 oil and 28 cups methonal is this correct ? and how do i bump that to 20 percent nitro ? my guess is add 4 cups more nitro and take off 4 cup methonal ?? and would this be the right amount of oil for trx 2.5 ?? any help is apriciated also i live in houston neone know a place near here or a place online with fairly prices nitromethane ?

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RE: making fuel - 8/29/2004 9:06:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why don't you calculate that by the first principle that all of us have studied at school? I've been mixing my fuel that way.

Here's my mixture:
18% oil and 2% nitro(we run on low nirto here koz its extremly expensive $200 per gal!)

Lets say 100% ------> 6000 cc (5000cc methanol + 1000cc oil)
then 2% -------> (6000/100)*2 = 120cc nitro.

Isn't that simpler? You just have to change the 2% to the % you require!

Hope it helps.

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RE: making fuel - 8/30/2004 10:59:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		Coolguy,

That is the reason that in my previous post I suggested the use of a 1 litre bottle graduated in millilitres. However The US does not use the metric system. Hence the over complicated measuring with cups. Cups can you believe?? Can you imagine the bother of having to pour out 40 cups of fluid from different containers without spilling any?? Let us hope that 40 cups equals 5 gallons!

Ed S

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RE: making fuel - 8/30/2004 12:26:55 PM   
cdwhocd


 

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Status: offline 		dont seem like it would be less hard to spill than with ml lol but i dunno its not that complicated 4 cups 10 percent how do i raise it to 20 percent nitro i know put 8 cups nitro in it but what do i take out methonal ?

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RE: making fuel - 8/30/2004 12:27:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		4 cups makes 4.75 gallons

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RE: making fuel - 8/30/2004 2:50:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Using your cup measurement to make your 4.75 gallons of the following fuel.

20% nitro
20% total oil
60% alcohol

You will need

8 cups nitro
8 cups total oil
24 cups alcohol.

Wash the cup out before you pour your coffee!!

Ed S

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RE: making fuel - 8/30/2004 7:34:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		A standard liquid measure cup is 8 fluid oz, or two gills. Four gills, or two cups. is a pint. Two pints is a quart and four quarts is a gallon. Isn't this fun!

Jim

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RE: making fuel - 8/30/2004 9:32:21 PM   
cdwhocd


 

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Status: offline 		alchohal same thing as methonal ?

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RE: making fuel - 8/31/2004 1:03:49 PM   
Ed Smith


 

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quote:

A standard liquid measure cup is 8 fluid oz, or two gills. Four gills, or two cups. is a pint. Two pints is a quart and four quarts is a gallon. Isn't this fun!


Yeah right! stick with the one litre bottle.

quote:

alchohal same thing as methonal ?


Yes.

Ed S

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RE: making fuel - 8/31/2004 4:53:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Methyl alcohol is the same thing as methanol (poisonous so don't drink it) and ethyl alcohol is ethanol as used in gasohol for cars and rum, whiskey, gin, moonshine....I'm reliably informed it's drinkable

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RE: making fuel - 8/31/2004 7:00:58 PM   
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quote:

Using your cup measurement to make your 4.75 gallons of the following fuel.

20% nitro
20% total oil
60% alcohol

You will need

8 cups nitro
8 cups total oil
24 cups alcohol.


1. Assuming that the 'cup' being used has a volume of 8 fluid oz, the above recipe is