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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/10/2004 3:47:36 AM   
downunder



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Status: offline 		This all kinda reminds me of Super Tigre when one of the big distributors (Tower?) wanted exclusive rights to them. ST changed the mould to read Como for the American market so there was no question about warranty repairs. Now if Enya did the same thing for an enthusiastic distributor (maybe call them USEnya*?) then you guys could finally get a decent Japanese engine

* Copyright...patented....I got it first...send me money...

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/10/2004 4:36:35 AM   
William Robison



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I think "Enya-Ear" would be a good name. Or possibly "Enya-Rear."

Haw.

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/10/2004 7:02:27 AM   
DarZeelon



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Status: offline 		Nomenclature is ruling everything these days.

The company that make MVVS engines in Brno, Czech Republic, is D.A.T, spol s r.o..

They are, however, fully identified with MVVS and this engine is not produced under any other name that I know of.

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/10/2004 11:35:22 AM   
ZAGNUT



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Status: offline 		nothing new here, just look at all the different brand names that come stamped on novarossi car engines.

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/10/2004 12:23:19 PM   
buchtes



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Status: offline 		now let's hear the MFG's response to this, come on MOKI Hungary, ( or MET '93 Ltd) give us your point of view.

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/10/2004 2:48:02 PM   
dick Hanson



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Status: offline 		Down under-- When ST made the Como--they actually changed a few internals and externals .
Garofoli's son ran the assembly of the COMO.
All of this happened in 1976-7- and I met his son while he was visiting with the owner of World Engines - in Cincinnati.
The owner of World Engines (John Maloney) had at that time, an exclusive on the ST and the OS engine lines .
If one looks around at engines made in the Eastern Rim--engines which bear a very strong resemblence to the OS , can be found -that's another story---

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/10/2004 8:41:45 PM   
Scar



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Status: offline 		I am reminded of a situation I encountered when operating a repair shop. A customer had a Massey diesel farm tractor and wanted me to overhaul it. I learned that the engine was a Perkins diesel, manufactured for Massey, and that there were minor dimensional differences. The result was that I had to buy my parts from Massey, and could not go to other aftermarket manufacturers who sold replacement liners, pistons, etc. for Perkins engines.

Now, I work for a large diesel engine manufacturer, and know a bit more about the story. It seems the original sale of a large, expensive diesel engine is seldom profitable for the manufacturer. Sales of repair parts, however is always profitible. So, the manufacturer would sell as many engines as possible, by making the price competitive, recouping losses and making profits from later engine parts sales.

Not relevant here, perhaps, except that I will submit the following : Follow the money, to find the root of most commercial disagreements.

Best wishes,
Dave Olson

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/11/2004 2:36:57 AM   
Skypilot_one



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Status: offline 		I had a Como 51. They were very good engines with properly heat treated crank shafts.

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/14/2004 11:18:33 PM   
Moki Factory


 

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Status: offline 		To member "buchtes" and all of our valued customers:
At one time Gerard Enterprises did have an exclusive sales agreement with the factory.
However, he was and is in default on his obligations under the contract.
Gerard enterprises was notified that the exclusive sales agreement is void.
Unlike Mr. Gerard we do not think this is the proper place to discuss the details of the contract or trademark violations. So we shall refrain from more comment on that.

For those of your wondering about Mark engines.
We have used the Mark name in Germany for about 10 years now. That is our alternate brand name and trademark. These are not Bootleg or Re Labeled engines.
For those of you that have purchased our engines in the last year, you will notice the Moki and the Mark name are no longer on the engines. Our engines all have a distinctive "M" in place of the old Moki or Mark logo.

Our engines are available just about everywhere except Gerard Enterprises. (At least after he sells out his present stock anyway)
Our gasoline engines that were previously only available in Europe are now being made available to the US market too. We hope to have a major shipment of these in the US very soon.
We of course suggest you see one of our authorized dealers first. If there is no dealer near you, we do accept direct orders. Please note that we are a factory and we are not a stocking distributor. Our stock depends what the most recent production run was. Some motors might be in stock, some might not.

As we transition to our new distribution setup, Dave Patrick Models has agreed to do any service work that might come up.

We do look forward to a bright future now that we will be able to bring our valued customers the new products they have wanted for so long.

From all the staff at:
The Moki Factory

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/14/2004 11:50:57 PM   
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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/14/2004 11:54:57 PM   
djlyon



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Status: online 		Tell us Mr Gerard; were your previous posts some sort of flim flam? What did you hope to accomplish by them? To convince potential buyers that you were still in the loop and were going to provide a service to your customers more than any other seller? A bit of misinformation don't you think? That was a true disservice to legitimate importers.

Denis

Love my Moki 1.35

< Message edited by djlyon -- 9/15/2004 1:43:49 AM >

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/15/2004 12:04:07 AM   
JoeAirPort



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Status: offline 		So Gerrard IS selling out his stock. Well it is a great price I must admit.

Joe

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/15/2004 12:12:54 AM   
buchtes



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Status: offline 		Thanks Moki , there are allways two sides to the coin.

besides, Mark or Moki , one of the Best

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/15/2004 12:26:20 AM   
harryg


 

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Status: offline 		oh boy, this is really getting fun now. Come on - I want to hear more dirty laundry!

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/15/2004 1:27:23 AM   
ossie



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Status: offline 		G'day to the guys at the MOKI factory,
Good luck with your new distribution setup, I'm sure you guys will do okay.
I've got two MARK 2.10's both work like a charm......
Kind regards
Ken

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/15/2004 1:45:06 PM   
Skypilot_one



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Status: offline 		It would appear the old US rep was trying to sell the engines at a higher profit and then couldn't meet his sales quota. I met him a few years ago at the WRAM show.

Moki 2.10 or ZDZ 40, it's a toss up. If the plug wire fits I would say ZDZ. Sorry Moki .

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RE: MOKI BOOTLEG & RE-LABELED ENGINES - 9/15/2004 1:56:38 PM   
Hobbsy



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Status: offline 		Mr. Moki Factory, I have two of your older engines, a .51 RC and a .61 LongStroke, both are very fine engines, have you entertained the idea of making some more of them? Thanks

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