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Price Increases and AMA - 8/3/2002 12:10:10 AM   
rsallen13



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Price Increases and AMA - 8/3/2002 10:32:02 PM   
EASYTIGER


 

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Status: offline 		Thanks for posting that.
Me, I'm all for it. The $10 is not going to kill me. I just hope it is enough next year, we don't really know what's going to happen with getting coverage again.

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Well Said EasyTiger - 8/4/2002 2:12:54 AM   
Flying Scotsman



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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by EASYTIGER
Thanks for posting that.
Me, I'm all for it. The $10 is not going to kill me. I just hope it is enough next year, we don't really know what's going to happen with getting coverage again. [/QUOTE]

You're right, $58 ($10 raise) aint going to kill anyone who is currently spending hundreds / thgousands of dollars per year on this hobby. But you just wait for the flames coming in! :

Happy Flying
Flying Scotsman

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/4/2002 3:32:46 PM   
buchtes



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Price Increases and AMA - 8/4/2002 4:08:47 PM   
EASYTIGER


 

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Status: offline 		So....what has AMA not done for you lately?

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/4/2002 4:21:56 PM   
buchtes



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AMA - 8/4/2002 6:55:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		If anything, They have provided peace of mind knowing that our hobby will not be infringed upon without someone sticking up for us , and that I will not lose everything should there be an accident. IMO that is worth the price. The list of smaller things goes on although not always for the individual.

AS the ol saying goes, Don't like it don't buy it. start your own field that dosen't require AMA , I am sure you will get lots of members that feel the same way. AMA is not the LAW, it is a service WE the Model Aviation community have supported to provide a function, WE have the ulitimate control if we choose to not support it.

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AMA - 8/4/2002 7:26:14 PM   
RCPilot100



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Status: offline 		I have no problem with a $10.00 increase either. I spend more than the annual dues on adhesives. AMA's charter in what they do is for the most part what I believe they should do.

But, unlike a business, there is not the accountability within AMA that I would like to see. I manage a test facility with $80 million in capital assets and an operating budget of $7-8 million per year. I must account for all of what I spend and where it went - and what I produced. It is not rocket science - it is quite simple to do. While the $10.00 increase sounds reasonable, I have no confidence that it is the right thing to do - the AMA and it leadership does not provide that level of confidence.

Some may say to not complain - get involved - run for office. Well, the AMA process of who gets on the ballot does not increase that level of confidence I would like to have in the AMA.

I can read my corporation's annual statement and believe what I read given my knowledge of my my department what I must report. Given the information flow from the AMA leadership to us, AMA itself, I have a bit more confidence in AMA than I do Worldcom - not much - just a little. Is it worth getting all worked up over - NO. But, I feel bad that is the type of confidence that AMA instills in me.

Dan

PS: I have sent simple questions to Dave Brown and Joyce Haeger over the years - like how much did this cost - where did the money come from - is it paying for itself. I did it in a nice way - no flames - just simple questions. I never recieved an answer. I assume I was never answered because either 1) they didn't have appropriate answers, or 2) they don't care about the individuals of AMA - like me.

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/4/2002 11:30:23 PM   
buchtes



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Status: offline 		thanks R/C Pilot, I feel the same way about it. I do not have anything against the Organization, but changes are in order.
I think, as long as there is no competition for it, they rule the roost and we are obligated to obey, like it or not.

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/4/2002 11:40:31 PM   
DoubleD



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Status: offline 		I agree with RCPilot-

10 bucks isn't going to make or break anyone that wants to fly. Knowing that their liability is somewhat limited or shared by the insurance our dues pay for is cheap peace of mind! If you don't believe that, go and get a quote for a personal liability policy.

However, I too would like to see a detailed accounting of how our dues are spent. After all, isn't the AMA a non profit organization?

We don't need every member including myself trying to run our organization, but I'd like to see what my dues pay for!

Regards,
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DoubleD

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/5/2002 12:10:25 AM   
EASYTIGER


 

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Status: offline 		They run a complete accounting of every dime once a year in Model Aviation.
I think it's on the website somewhere, too.
They have done this for many years...since I was a kid.
It's never been a big secret.

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/5/2002 1:37:29 AM   
Geistware



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Status: offline 		An annual dues of $58 is nothing.
How many people here play golf?
WHat is your dues for the club you belong to?
$58 is a night out with the wife.
YES, I am cheap!

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/5/2002 2:43:35 AM   
buchtes



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Status: offline 		Hello Geistware!

What about Golf?, R/Cer's do not knock a little Ball down the cowpasture, go find it, knock it again, trying to find a hole and then having to pay for that, silly.

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/5/2002 4:07:56 AM   
RCPilot100



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Status: offline 		EasyTiger,

The accounting summary that AMA publishes once a year is a broad overview. What I am referring to is what corporations are required to do - a detailed summary - revenues - how much - from who and where - expenses - again how much - where - who - what.... From what the AMA publishes, I have no idea who spends what on travel - how much does that Pasadena trade show generate in revenues - or is it a money loser.

Just like at work or at home I have to prioritize what are the returns for a given expense. What can I save in efficiencies if I spend $500,000.00 to install another Burke Porter dynamometer. How much OT will I save? Will I shorten the development cycle and save $$ for the platforms groups? Same thing at home right now - do I buy my daughter a used or new car for school - do I buy my wife a new car and give the daughter a five year old one? What is the payback period?

These are easy business decisions to make, at home, work or for the AMA. I have all the information I need at home or at work - the AMA assumes I trust the leadership enough to make the right decisions also - without them providing the details I would get from a public corporation - just a sort of trust me, it's only $10.00. Sorry, without the details, I don't know if AMA is being run like a good business or like Enron was.

Just came back from flying - we spent more than $10.00 on snacks and beverages - so yeah, $10.00 isn't much. It isn't worth really worrying about - but I hope the AMA leadership doesn't assume I blindly believe what they say - I don't.

Dan

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/5/2002 7:44:35 AM   
Robby



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Status: offline 		Heyy Dan ,,
Would this "I manage a test facility with $80 million in capital assets " be a place with a LOT of acreage and have something to do with a company in Highland Park.. Does this test facility have a
33% grade and a 15% grade test area..?

Robby..

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/8/2002 2:10:14 AM   
Geistware



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Status: offline 		I think it is about time and I support this activity.

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Price Increases and AMA - 8/8/2002 2:27:28 AM