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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/4/2004 6:37:10 PM   
    rscarawa


     

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    ORIGINAL: mr_frogdude

    Hey, I received the hi-start and the parachute today!!! Thank you both soooo much !!!!! I might be able to fly tomarrow,but then again maybe not...5-15mph winds, we'll see .

    Anyone have something else to talk about...Amelia-air, have you flown the aspire????Mark


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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/4/2004 7:10:28 PM   
    NewfGlider


     

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    If you have trouble with the current high start rubber again, I can send you some slightly used rubber from a dynaflight up-start. It worked well enough earlier this year.

    Paul

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/4/2004 7:55:48 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Alright Newfglider, I might be trying it again this weekend...it depends if we are getting the expected storm or not!!! If it reacts bad then I'll send you a message! Thanks!

    So, anyone been flying anything lately??? Would like to see some pics!

    Mark

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/4/2004 7:58:57 PM   
    mr_frogdude


     

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    Status: offline     		I am a newbie at this so I wont be adding weight/flying in fast winds for a while...at least I say that now !

    Mark

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/4/2004 10:19:19 PM   
    SoCal GliderGuider


     

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    Just so I'm clear on your experience; you have successfully used your uncles hi-start. Right?

    One of the big problems I find with new flyers using a hi-start is they tend to pull up on the stick or have excessive up trim. This coupled with a tow hook that is too far back will cause a glider to over rotate and pop off of the hook of shoot off to the side if the hook is to long. Shooting off to the side usually results in a crash as the plane comes completely around toward the ground or the wing tip catches.

    Can you describe in a bit more detail what happened. Did the GL come off of the tow line? Did it stay on the tow line?

    Thanks.

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 12:14:27 AM   
    mr_frogdude


     

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    Status: offline     		Yes, I have used my uncles hi-start successfully.

    No problem: I pulled it back 10 steps, like the manufacturer said. It was hooked on, so I gave it a good toss (flat) and it started to go up on the normal routine...but suddenly it stalled and hit nose first into the ground. The tow hook never came off the plane...it was only 15 feet into the launch. I did not pull back on the stick, if anything I pushed it forward a little!

    Do you think I should've pulled it back further?

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 2:16:53 AM   
    SoCal GliderGuider


     

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    Status: offline     		Do you recall the tension on your uncles hi-start when you are ready to launch? If not then get a fish scale, hook it to the top of the parachute and pull it back to where you would launch from and check the pull. This is the same pull you should have on the one you were given by Joann.

    I pull my heavy duty back at least 30 to 50 steps. It's about the same unstretched length as you report yours to be. I launch my Mako with it.

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 4:18:05 AM   
    mr_frogdude


     

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    Status: offline     		Thanks, I will try it at that.

    Anyone have some more great comments, or perhaps just a story???

    Mark

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 6:36:21 PM   
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    Status: offline     		Pretty sure from the discussion that you need to stretch the tubing more. 10 steps is about 25-30 ft and you need at least twice that to launch a 2 meter off that lightweight highstart.

    The ACE Whisper is a 1.4 meter (HL size plane). The high start is going to be pretty weak; you are going to have to stretch it as far as you can without breaking it (like SoCal suggests) to be successful with the GL.

    You will want about 8 lbs of tension to be successful.

    I am stretching my 50' of rubber to about 120-130' (170 - 180' total length) for my planes. It is 3m size rubber and I launch everything incuding my 2m spirit off of it just so I don't have to take two different highstarts to the field. It's a little much for the 2m planes, but I haven't hurt them yet.

    EJ

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 8:10:46 PM   
    mr_frogdude


     

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    Status: offline     		Thanks for all the input guys! Hopefully I can fly in the morning...depends if the crystal is at my LHS or not, and if the weather is good of coarse!!!

    Mark

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 10:39:36 PM   
    SoCal GliderGuider


     

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 10:49:25 PM   
    mr_frogdude


     

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    Status: offline     		Yah...hhmmm...the guy said that is most likely the problem, because I can turn the plane on while the transmitter is on, but I don't have any responses!?!?!?!?!

    Mark

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 11:08:54 PM   
    J3FAN


     

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    Status: offline     		For a regular, standard,[ BUT WITH A GLASSED or REINFORCED center of the wing joint], glider I have found that ( using a FISH scale ) you can pull the HISTART to somewhere between 12 Lbs. and 15 Lbs.
    Then hold the glider pointed up to about a 40deg. position and just OPEN YOUR HAND, do not toss, just make sure the wings are level ( or parallel to the ground ).
    It is my opinion that this should almost guarantee good and safe launches, every time.
    p.s.
    you may have to hold a tiny amount of down on the elevator to keep it climbing "on the step"..this means just "tapping" down, not holding it.
    Good luck 2-U

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 11:41:48 PM   
    ejett



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    I must disagree with you about not tossing the plane. The plane does need to be above stall speed or nearly so before it leaves your hand or you are inviting a stall on the line. You don't have to throw it hard, but you really should throw it instead of just letting go of it.

    EJ

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    RE: Building a Gentle Lady! - 11/5/2004 11:47:56 PM   
    ejett



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    Take your transmitter with you when you go to the hobby shop. That way you can check out everything while you are there and if it is not just the crystal, you can pick up a new receiver. You will need to test the servos too, to make sure you don't have any stripped gears.

    I have an older 2 meter NSP highstart that I don't use anymore. It is fairly old, but I think the rubber has some life left in it. If you can pay the postage on it, I can send it to you. This is a full size highstart with 100' of rubber. The line is getting to be old and frayed looking, but should work short term. If you are interested, send me a PM or reply to this post.

    EJ

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