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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 9/30/2004 8:49:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tom... $20.00 verse $2.00 a gal. for fuel ? My vote goes to a Bi-plane or pattern type. I own four of your 28% lov'm all. I Also have a DV. Chips designs tend to lean towards pattern and he seems to be one of the only ones making 28% pattern planes. I like your 300 spec the best of all your Hare planes. It fits my style of fling best, I think pattern and IMAC are harder to learn than 3D on the same level maybe thats way there is less intrest in pattern and IMAC in the 28% market. Dick Hansen follows your forum. Maybe he would offer some input on a 28% pattern plane. Years past Dick had some of the best pattern planes around. I've just recently got back into the hobby ( jumped in with both feet ) after being gone for 10 years, not sure if I know what I talking about.
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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 9/30/2004 10:56:10 PM   
ernie58



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Status: offline 		I bipe would be great. My votes, in no order, are a Bucker Jungmeister, Weeks Solution or a Pitts Model 12. I've seen to many Ultimates!

Here's part of a post I made last Feb in his forum on a different thread taking about the next offering:

How about another aerobat about the size of the Giles 202. Something for the 3W-75, ZDZ-80 and the coming DA-75 in the 90-96" span. Not much competition with that size verses an increasingly competitive 3.2 market. It's also easier shipping for the importer (Tom) and easier hauling and funding (us!) than the 35% size. There are a few Edges that size, but an Extra would be popular and you won't keep a YAK that size in stock! Of course if it's a bipe, I've always been smitten with a Bucker Jungmeister or a Weeks Solution.....

and now a new 97" Extra Special is close to release.

Speak up, your voices will be heard!

Tom, let me know when your accepting orders on the new E-Special. I saw pictures of the blue and yellow scheme. Any possibility of swapping the positions the blue and yellow and/or changing the blue to red.........

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 9/30/2004 10:57:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Starting on the plans for that plane now(Double G),for a 50cc DA,ZDZ,BME or a Moki 2.10,should be an interesting project.Will take a few months to complete and i will post pictues as i go on another thread.I am not using a foam wing,all built up construction and i want the finish weight to come in somewhere around 12 to 14 pounds.Everything on this plane will be original,including the wing.The only simalarity to the Giles will be the sweep of the leading edge.I have to decide on the angle of sweep and the wing offset.Lotta homework,hehe,but fun.

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 1:43:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		Please. A 50cc Pitts model 12 and my money is in the mail.

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 3:15:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I own 3 ultimates and I want a 28% ultimate. My favorite is the 120 size Dave Patrick with a Saito 180, it flys awesome! They are the best flying planes I've ever flown. My problem is I do not want to go through the hastle of assembling a biplane, my Patrick fits in my van in one piece. Yeah, you could call me lazy but I'm sure there are many people who after work want to spend their time flying and not setting up and tearing down a plane... or crashing because in your haste forgot that important screw. Yes the Ultimate market is covered by Dave Patrick, Aeroworks, Hanger 9 and Goldberg but show me a easy to transport, fast idiot proof assembaly and I'll show you my credit card number!

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 6:19:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ditto on the S-12. Gorgeous plane. Make it look like the full scale one, and I would buy one in a second. Sure, it probably would be a good bit of work to design it from scratch, but you would sell every one you can make.

The market is saturated with Ultimates. Don't need another, and they're so common at most fields.


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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 4:35:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ditto to that. I also have a DP Ultimate with Saito 1.80. I haven't flown it in months and months. It is just to much of a hassle putting it together and taking it apart.. Any bipe needs to incorporate some innovative "at the field" assembly tricks.

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 9:06:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		In My opinion the specifications and covering scheme sells the plane and the rest is bonus.
If I was in the market for a 50cc Bype I would look at in this order:


weight
wing loading
others opinions from club and rcu
durability
covering scheme
accesibility to radio/tank/etc
portability (2 two peace wings?)

The plane with the best specifications would be in my hanger

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 10:10:46 PM   
Mike Bogh



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Status: offline 		OK, here's a tip that my buddy and I just discovered when we had to dissasemble the Pitts, again.
We unhooked the flying wires, and removed the 2 fasteners from the middle cabane. Stood the plane on it's nose, and removed the 2 nylon bolts from the bottom. While one person holds the fuse, the other disconnects the wing servos, rotate the fuse 90 degrees, and slide the wings over the tail feathers, as a complete unit.
Saves removing 8 fasteners, but you need a friend to help. Cut's the time down from 30 to 4 minuets.
Huge difference....
I have recently discussed this with a friend or 2, the guy who comes up with a quick release method on Biplanes will sell a set to every person who owns a bipe, period.


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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 10:35:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well forget that Giles airfoil and wing.I did some research here last night and alot of complaints about it tipstalling.Good aerobatics but slow flight wasn't anything to write home to mom about.Might start looking at pattern plane type airfoils and wings.do some experimenting.

Hey that Pitts S12 would be cool Tom,not to many people doing that plane right now.You are right Mike,a quick release setup would sell like HOTCAKES!I would buy at least 6 of them myself.

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 11:04:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Does anyone make an S12 right now? I haven't been able to find anyone who offers one...


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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 11:18:18 PM   
SilverEagleBW


 

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Status: offline 		Yep,they are out there,here is a 49% S12,little big.hehe

http://www.aircraftinternational.com/catalog/planes/3w49pitts_s12/3w49pitts_s12.htm

I know there is a smaller version out there,,i'll do a little digging.....Slade

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/1/2004 11:31:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here ya go,,,another S12



http://www.bigairplanes.com/

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/2/2004 12:29:06 AM   
fiveoboy01



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Status: offline 		Yeah I found the bigairplanes site. Those are pretty big, anyone know of anything smaller?


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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/2/2004 5:22:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rctom...I think you have something good to work with. One thing i might do is move the wings forward a little. Just looks too far back. I would also make the wings a little deeper. Looks too skinny. Can you take the standard edge wings and just cut the tips off a little. That would make it look a little more proportional. Just an idea and if it works i want half price on the one i am gonna buy...

Smokey

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RE: "Doubledge" biplane? - 10/2/2004 7:27:34 AM