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RE: Trainers...what are they good for? - 12/25/2004 8:57:00 PM   
HeyBro


 

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Status: offline 		I'm new to RC, but it seems to me that it's a bit like learning to drive a car, you can go for the old tried and tested method of paying your money to a driving school, and they take you out, teach you the rules and try their best to enable YOU to be a safe driver, or you can get Daddy's Ferari? (don't know the correct spelling ) jump in, take it around your private racing track and kill yourself on the first lap. I have no problem with you doing the latter, because I'm safer with you off the roads I drive on rather than being dead because YOU took a corner a little bit faster than you should have!
These aircraft, including trainers, have the ability to kill people and people die every year from model aircraft accidents. If you think you are 'Too Good'. to bother going through a training school, then power to you, but please don't fly any where near me or my family.

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RE: Trainers...what are they good for? - 12/26/2004 12:37:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ICE_MAN

Cafeen Man,
I agree with your 3 plane system..


I think I'm working on the 26 plane system.

Actually I'm a little torn on this subject.
Years ago your choices seemed to be somewhat more limited than today. In the 70s & 80s you went with either a trainer or a pattern like plane. (or so I'm told)
With that option I can understand guys that started back then saying that a trainer is a must.
With todays 3D models and Eflight models that have the wing loading of a hummingbird I can see some of these making a very nice first plane.
I've watched a few of them fly VERY slow without stalling and they seem to handle the wind better. Properly setup with low rates etc. I wouldn't be afraid to start a guy out on one.

My only complaint about trainer planes is their innability to handle windy conditions.
While many people say that this will make you a better pilot, why would you subject a new guy through that battle. I had a SIG Seniorita during my learning years and although it was a great trainer it got tossed around badly in even a mild breeze. (not a fun thing while learning to fly)
I guess to sum up my opinion on this is to say that telling a NEWBIE that he needs to fly in the wind to make him a better pilot is like telling your 16 year old daughter that she needs to learn to drive on ice from the beginning. Sure she needs to. But I'd much rather see her learn on dry pavement before I introduce icy roads to her.

< Message edited by aimmaintenance -- 12/26/2004 1:16:33 PM >

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RE: Trainers...what are they good for? - 12/29/2004 12:33:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wack a set of floats on that old trainer and have ago at flying on and off water. Great fun!!!
(Just make sure that it's not powered by an OS.40 LA though. You do want it to actually take off)

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RE: Trainers...what are they good for? - 12/30/2004 5:27:17 AM   
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Me and 2 others teachs at my club. The #1 thing is a student that will listen to you. able to fly a pattren with out losing altitude and exe. One beginner has the similator and thought he was ready for 3D. I stopped helping him because he just would not listen. Another member took my place. The next week he asked me to help him find his plane (crashed). My point is this, I have a total of 16 plane in my hanger. Most Prop jets and pylon racers. I am a speed freak. I still take my alpa 9 out and fly a tank or two before I get the bad boys out. Flying is a skill you learn. they are two pilots "those who have crashed or are crashing." At the best we can do is make sure it is not pilot error.

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RE: Trainers...what are they good for? - 12/30/2004 5:45:13 AM   
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#1 Bring to the field so you will have something to fly when you crash your UCD.

tukkus, Go tiger, see ya at the Q-500.

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RE: Trainers...what are they good for? - 12/30/2004 7:16:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tukkus

You are right Scar alot of it depends on the instructor. In my case i had an instructor that doesnt come to the field with a plane cause there is always someone asking him to show them how to do a new stunt. So he says why bother bringing a plane when i can fly everyone elses. So in my case it would have worked out but i understand not everyone has that kind of opportunity to take advantage of. Most of the instructors at my field are retired so they have plenty of time on their hands to help out which is why i feel i could have jumped into a UCD and i'm sure there are other people that have or are in similar situations.



tukkus, however you learn and whatever you learn on makes no diff. to me. I scanned through 3 pages of this thread as your original post caught my eye even though it was rather old -- like me!!

I've been flying models of some sort for nearly 60 years and RC for 35 of those years. I taught myself CL and FF, yet before I got into competition I had a lot of help from others already in competition. I had 2 RC instructional flights in RC using the old "swap the transmitter" with a model very close to the Ugly Stick design. Then I went into the air all by me lil' ol' self.
I later built a flat bottom 3-channel and really learned to fly as it was more fun -- and forgiving -- than the bigger model.

Now what I find a bit irritating is your attitude: "Most of the instructors at my field are retired so they have plenty of time on their hands to help out ...." I too am retired for nearly 9 years now and I find myself spending a lot of my time helping others to learn to fly. That is MY TIME, which is fast running out. Da_n few of these ever spend any of THEIR time helping others, as they just want to go on and enjoy their own new-found expertise, so we older guys are expected to do the labors.
Actually I refuse to help anyone not willing to start with a decent trainer. IMO the RC student should be taught just like I was taught back in my old USAF days and the same way I later taught wanna'-be fighter pilots in the T-33 and T-38. That was the old Up or Out using 3 techniques: Fear, Ridicule, and Sarcasm. Nah, just joking, but I don't spend time just watching you have fun. My students quickly learn to WORK during a flight, solo very soon, get released when safe to fly among the crowd, and always have their original Trainer.
Unlike your instructor I have a number of machines that I like to fly. If I share my time with you, I expect YOU to make the best use of it. Take a good trainer, learn fast, get solo qualified and become adequately safe to be turned loose on the field with other good people on the flight-line, then go on your own. If you later burst up some machines that is YOUR problem and none of mine.
So, that is one reason for the trainer. Now if you have someone willing to baby-sit you and loves to burn your fuel, well that's between you and him. Just glad you're not here asking me, and you can be even MORE GLAD.

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