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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 5:05:54 PM

SkyChaser

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ORIGINAL: dicksoucy

53 MHz band (Aircraft/Car/Boat) FCC Amateur
license required. 2 and 3 channels not produced
on these freqs.

Note: Although the frequency list for the 53Mhz portion of the 6 Meter band is correct, the governing body for this group of frequencies, The American Radio Relay League, has dropped the 53 MHz portion for R/C use as there are hi powered repeaters operating in that portion of the band. It would be advisable if you are a Ham radio operator to use the 50MHz frequencies for R/C . They recommended migrating to 50Mhz about 5 years ago and no longer list 53 MHz in the band plan.

Yes they do. http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html#6m
Although, I would be suspect about using the 53.5-53.8 MHz channels since they might be shared with the repeaters.

Minor correction: The ARRL is *not* the governing body for any frequencies. The FCC is. The ARRL is a national organization of amateur radio operators. They do publish a "band plan" designed to minimize interference and foster good operating practices among amateurs but it is voluntary. The ARRL will be the first to tell you they have no legal enforcement powers.

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 5:27:40 PM

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Lawsuits will only lead to an ugly revenge cycle and eventually selective jamming to get back at the guy your paying $100.00 every month to.

I can see some very devious person taking extreme pleasure in finding out your freq just to bring down your favorite jet while hiding in the parking lot or a nearby road...

Not worth the risk if you ask me...

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 5:50:54 PM

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Edit: Nevermind. I'll just make it a point to avoid your type. Please do the same.

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 6:45:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: mr_matt

WOW I thought was a sick joke...I tell you what, why don't you go over to the jet list and ask Kenny? I have no idea who soldered what and I doubt Mark knows either.

I don't need to ask. Although I don't know who, I do know how it was soldered. But then I'm not espousing how important personal responsibilty is either. :

Daren

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 7:11:48 PM

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Darren, your subtlety is lost on me...t

To me that issue is between Kenny and whoever did the work. What does that have to do with us and turning on your transmitter without the pin??

Sorry if I missed something.

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 7:32:10 PM

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LOL. Typical.

The relation is painfully obvious. Somebody involved with your plane between the creation of the universe and the time your plain hit the ground caused the crash due to their neglect.

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 7:56:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: mr_matt

Darren, your subtlety is lost on me...t

To me that issue is between Kenny and whoever did the work. What does that have to do with us and turning on your transmitter without the pin??

Sorry if I missed something.

Sorry, please disregard. I was trying to make a point that personal responsiblity extends beyond just turning on a transmitter, abet poorly. This was a crash that didn't need to happen and is especially disheartening knowing the circumstances which led to it.

Daren

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 8:07:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Broken

Lawsuits will only lead to an ugly revenge cycle and eventually selective jamming to get back at the guy your paying $100.00 every month to.

I can see some very devious person taking extreme pleasure in finding out your freq just to bring down your favorite jet while hiding in the parking lot or a nearby road...

Oh this latest twist is fantastic!!….let me make sure I understand it……even though the jet pilot SHOULD be compensated, he SHOULD NOT try to collect, cause the person will become so irritated that later they will just shoot you down on purpose….

Let me tell you, based on some of what I have read here, I think this risk is very real!!

While I agree these cases are exceedingly rare, and as MikeMC so ably demonstrates, many of my fellow fliers lack the character to ever admit to anything, the question remains (for the rest of you with character).....Given the 1/100 chance you will absolutely know what happened and who did it.....who should pay??

What is funny, all the jet guys are saying is “be responsible for your actions”.

Maybe you guys have not heard of I-N-S-U-R-A-N-C-E. You guys might want to look into it….it turns out that it covers you for unforeseen personal liability that you might not be able to afford!!! If you have homeowners insurance you are covered (usually), if you do not own a home you can get renters for maybe $400 a year and be covered for ANY of this. And don’t forget, what if the plane you shoot down hits someone, is that just an unlucky break for the victims too??

I don’t understand why you guys don’t complain about automotive liability as well, it is exactly the same thing….your negligence costs someone else money……you get insurance to take care of that.

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 8:26:54 PM

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Matt, you only read what you want don't you. Insurance? No sh't, really? I never heard of that before. Being responsible? Again, no sh't. There's also this thing called being reasonable with people that might not have as much money as you, and it goes well beyond your right to simply demand your money or you'll file a law suit. Good social skills on your part will get you much more than any court in this land.

Not that it's any of your business but I'm voting for Mickey Mouse.

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 8:29:05 PM

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WOW! MR_MATT you are assuming allot about me- OK I Guess thats your prerogative..

This is not a twist really- I would buy the auto insurance angle if we all flew our planes like we drive- YES insurance is a great thing that why we have the AMA. But we must also understand that this in not a NO RISK endeavor. We take these fragile model and put them through the ringer in a relatively uncontrolled environment- You put a model in the sky and control it from a great distance using imperfect hardware and a lacking but effective frequency control system. An accident is just a matter of mathematical statistics. You can't have it all- You would NEVER fly a full scale Cessna 182 like a 60" trainer the thing would disintegrate.

I am telling you I accept the fact that accidents will happen. I just approach solutions to them a bit differently. I guess If you ever make the mistake of "shooting someone down" as it were- i'm the guy you want to shoot down.....

PS- Guess who I am voting for PLEASE- I will tell you if your right...

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 8:49:30 PM

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I would never go after some kid (as an example) for making a mistake! That's how kids learn- What does it say about me as a person.

As a builder the emotional investment in a model is huge but I have reached a balance as to how far I will go to get even! Will I take money away from some family that I dont even know NEVER----EVER... Can I live with myself knowing that I am getting a hundered extra bucks a month and in eight years that crashed jet will be paid for. NO..

This is what I don't understand- So pease ((JET GUYS)) TELL ME where I go wrong here. When does my hobby need to effect others in a detremantal way for long periods of time- You just took a kids college money- And your killing the fixed budget of a sienor-

WHY???? Revenge,Redemption,Justice,Eye for an eye?

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 9:01:27 PM

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.....who should pay??

In a case of shooting a plane down, it's usually pretty obvious who is to blame. But it's not purely a matter of who should pay; attitude also comes into play, from both sides. If the culprit refuses to pay flat out since "it's a risk of the hobby", or if the victim rounds on the culprit with a "pay up, or else", then there's nothing left but to call the lawyers. If you start off with the absolute conviction that you are right, you'll get nowhere. (The Dutch language makes a wonderful distinction between "gelijk hebben" and "gelijk krijgen". The first is being right. The second is having others acknowledge you as being right, so that it actually does you some good. Getting the first is easy; it's the second part that's hard)

If however both parties remain reasonable, then there's a good chance of working out a satisfactory arrangement. You can see the same thing in car accidents; it's the difference between 5 minutes of filling out insurance forms, or a shouting match and having to call the cops.

I agree with looking into insurance, although I don't know how that works in the States. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if it would work with my own insurance... I think the insurer will be rather slow to pay over the money if I cause a crash. They might even claim its "a risk of the hobby" as well.

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 9:01:36 PM

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Matt, as far as I know we didn´t have here a insurance for r/c models or something related to them, I would love to have all my r/c stuff covered, of course.. also don´t know if in the U.S. you can do it too. We only have here a AMA style insurance of the Brazilian Aeromodeling Association that´s rarely used ...

Regards, Enrique

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RE: Shot Down - 10/19/2004 9:19:01 PM

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I will comment later, I'm at work now and do not have the time. you guys kill me. as I see it I should never expect anyone to take responsibility for there actions.

Miloh.

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