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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/24/2005 7:31:08 PM   
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Now I get it, I thought you had both lines plumbed to one clunk. In reality, one clunk is holding both lines down, though plumbed to only one. The only catch I can see is that you better use some light tubing, or the clunk may levitate a little. Other than that, I like it! . Thanks Wayne!

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/28/2005 2:30:03 AM   
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Well, got to the field with the drilled carb, and while it was improved, it still is a poor performer for 3d use. I'm going to try resealing the backplate and the carb to block junction, but I'm beginning to give up hope of this ever being a good 3d engine.

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/28/2005 2:04:57 PM   
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Hi Dean,

What prop and fuel are you using?

Please keep us up to date on your progress.

Fly4Fun,

Wayne Miller

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/28/2005 6:21:57 PM   
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12x3.75 apc and omega 10%. The peops different, but thats the same fuel I've always used in it, and yes, its a new jug.

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/29/2005 12:06:42 AM   
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I'm glad to have found this forum since i've been having problems with my GMS-76.

I found some tips about a year ago, to seal up the engine, and have done that.

Mine was running hot and quitting at full power.
i was about to trash it.

i'll try these tips and see what happens.

My application has the engine mounted pointing up, with a tank mounted "tubes up" on the engines' belly. I do have some foam between them.


THANKS.

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/29/2005 2:44:22 AM   
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Is your fuel inlet restricted ?

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/29/2005 3:22:44 AM   
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yes, it was as shown on a picture in a previous post.

After this fix( we'll see if it works. I believe!) my next big problem is vibration caused by the engine that is affecting my gyros "GWS-P03".
But, i'm sure that's for a different forum.

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/29/2005 3:39:23 AM   
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Here's a picture...
GMS-76
I selected it for it's rated thrust to weight.

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/29/2005 5:55:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Dean in Milwaukee

Well, got to the field with the drilled carb, and while it was improved, it still is a poor performer for 3d use. I'm going to try resealing the backplate and the carb to block junction, but I'm beginning to give up hope of this ever being a good 3d engine.


Dean, I hope I can talk you into not giving up. It is my opinion that drilling the carb may make the adjustment a bit touchier to achieve. I recommend replacing the carb body before giving up. There is a lot of talk about leaks in this engine, so I wanted to see what was really going on. I took and old glow plug and drilled it out and tapped it, to fit a nipple. I then installed the modified plug in the engine. I was then able to submerge the engine, with the muffler and carb blocked off and see where the leaks were. I expected bubbles around the throttle barrel, but only had one or two in a couple minutes time. That isn't enough of a leak to matter. I had a steady stream of bubbles around the base of the carb. I found that the rings around the carb throat were very stiff.(referring to my friends .47, not mine) I went to True Value Hardware, and purchased some new rings for the base of the carb. Some of these engines have two O-rings. One at the base of the carb and one inside the throat, where the carb slides in. If you have two, change both. This solved any problems with the engine not wanting to shut down at idle. There were no leaks at the backplate or head gasket. After drying the engine out, and drowning it in Marvle Mystery Oil, I put it on a plane and went flying. Between the new carb body and the new O-rings, the engine ran beautifuly!

Now, the 3D thing! You may have noticed my posts on the uniflo tank setup. I had a friend fly my .47 with the new tank. He is a 4-stroke guru. He could not believe the performance coming from a 2-stroke. After doing a lot of hovering and 3D stuff I don't know the names of, I asked him what he thought of the engine/tank combo. He had one word for it, the that was SMOOOOOOOTH! I can't explain the difference, but you can really feel it!

As far as the one clunk or two clunk uniflo, it has to be two clunks. The single clunk design works well for control line, because you want the clunk at the edge of the tank, at the outside of the flying circle. Tying the two lines together allows this kind of control. Since an RC plane uses all three axis, the clunk has to be able to free float to every corner at the back of the tank. The only way to do this is to have one clunk for each line.

Dean, I don't know if it is worth a tank of gas to you, but if you want, order the carb body, and when it arrives drive up to Appleton for the day. I will help you get the demonds out of your engine. You can fly as my guest with the Valley Aero Modelers, provided you have AMA insurance. Let me know!

Andy

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/29/2005 8:47:36 PM   
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Andy, thanks for the very kind offer, but it may prove unneeded:

update!


I resealed the carb using rtv, got to the field and noticed no improvement.

Flew it a few times, adjusted more, but just not good. Then it dawned on me, the fuel filter.

I had swapped in a new cheapy disposable fuel filter when I put this plane together and now it was about the only thing left untouched, so off it came and replaced with tubing.

I immedietely knew it was improved, and had to lean out the idle jet a bit and the main a whole lot! Pointing the nose up no longer made much difference at all, and I was able to get way more revs on the ground now. Airborne, it was a whole new motor, running far better than ever before, ( hover to outside loop back to hover without going anywhere is fun! ), but still a bit soft in the midrange. That might be just a fine tuning on the jetting issue though, I say might because I landed a bit hard when I came down to adjust and broke my only prop , so fine tuning efforts are going to have to wait a bit.

I might get another airborne opportunity this wensday, but this looks like the filter might have been the problem the whole time. Aargh!!!

Dean in Milwaukee

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/29/2005 11:56:53 PM   
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Glad to hear it Dean! If the midrange stays sloppy, try the new carb body or the uniflo setup or both. It should tighten it up a lot! Good luck!

Andy

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/30/2005 12:00:56 AM   
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Wayne:

If you get a chance, see if there is any way to get the new thread entitled GMS 47 directed to yours. Everything we have been through the past several months is being rehashed. If its readers could be sent this way, this thread will save them a lot of agrivation.

Andy

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/30/2005 12:48:34 AM   
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Hi Andy,

I posted over there and referenced this thread, thanks for the suggestion.

Also, if anyone else has had good results from reading this thread, would you let us know, we would greatly appreciate any feedback - thanks.

Fly4Fun,

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RE: GMS Engine Tuning Problem - 5/30/2005 12:55:12 AM   
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Thanks Wayne!

Andy

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