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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/2/2004 4:16:32 AM   
SENZA



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Don't listen to Vicman,you wouldn't even have to go tho the hobby shop if you come North...just give me the money and i'll go pay it. you could just sit home where its nice and warm..

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/2/2004 4:49:34 AM   
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Hey minn hows about a pic of the daughter? haha jk!

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/2/2004 5:15:30 AM   
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Some of the advice is good, some of it is actually bad.
What is not known is the DEGREE of interest your husband plans to MAINTAIN in this sport.
My friend of 50 years and I were discussing just this point the other day, considering a gift of model airplane RC for my own son in law. The point being made was that it is a waste to spend a lot of money for somebody who is not actually passionately involved, at least.
For the casual approach, you can get by with the WALMART suggestion, for +- (70$) as was shown to you. Consider it a passing fancy, statisfy the "casual dream" and move on. No great amount of money spent, which would have been better used elsewhere.
For the long term, you are way ahead if you get in touch with somebody who is already IN and actively practising the sport.
RC Clubs, local Hobby Shops should be your preferred course, at this time.
If I could know where in Texas you reside, I may be able to direct you to a "specific" person who would be just right for this kind of guidance.
I have been in this sport going on 50 years and I can offer a bunch of introductions, unless you live in some far off, isolated community.
Feel free to contact me if you wish, I am retired and disabled, although very active in the hobby so all my time is available to suggest proper guidance.
I live in Houston TX
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p.s. just post a reply to this column, if you wish

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/2/2004 5:43:58 AM   
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I signed off prematurely. Sorry.
If you decide the "light" approach is more suitable, here is something that will satisfy and may retain a certain VALUE, (to recoup) in case the interest wanes and he wants to bail out and minimize the losses.
quote:
http://www.redrockethobbies.com/product.asp?departmentID=373&productID=6738
I hope this helps.
RICK
of all the suggestions, please do not get the NEXSTAR ( a 430$ cost )

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/2/2004 6:10:45 AM   
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I am going to take you down a completely different path perhaps but this offers you a low cost alternative to some of the planes suggested above.

First, go to this link to find the clubs in your area:
http://www.modelaircraft.org/clubmain.asp?sid=3D490C78380448B0A15E31DE4FA6F552

While it is possible to learn on your own, it can be frustrating. And, while I think one can learn to fly on their own, I don't recommend it with a fuel powered plane. They tend to be larger, heavier and more powerful than the eclectic planes I am going to mention next. Now some of they guys here will call these toys, but all of the planes we fly are toys. It is just that some cost more than others.

If he wants to dabble in the hobby there are two ways to do it, in my opinion:

1) locate a local club. Contact them, tell them of your plans and get their advice. Then get what they suggest. Give your husband the plane and send him to the club for lessons. That is his best path to success regardless of what kind of plane you get him.

2) If there are no clubs near you and he is going to try and do this on his own, I would suggest a three channel electric plane. They are smaller, lighter, quieter and can be flow in many parks that will not allow fuel planes. Note that I said three channel. The electic planes recommended above are two channel planes. I have a lot of fun flying electrics, but I don't recommend two channel electrics to anyone. They can be fun, but they are very limiting and very easy to lose.

Here is how I got started.

I started flying in March of 2003. I had no interest in building models, so I
went the R-T-F route. I think this is such a great way to get started.

I was a first timer. After several months of research, talking to flyers I
decided to start with an electric parkflyer. I
looked at lots of planes and packages and selected the Aerobird.

It is a super value and very easy to fly. The new version, the Aerobird
Challenger is even better. It has two flight modes - Sport for the beginner or
relaxed flyer and expert for the more advanced or aggressive flyer.

HobbyZone AEROBIRD CHALLENGER
THREE CHANNEL ELECTRIC PARKFLYER

Very inexpensive and rugged for a three channel starter - $115-$150
The plane comes complete and fully assembled. Charge the flight battery with
the included 12 V peak charger, put on the wing, put the included batteries in
the transmitter and up you go!
With a little throttle management you can get flights of 12-15 minutes on a
battery.

The plane is very rugged. Mine has been through many crashes. Most of the time I pick it up, straighten the wing and put it back in the air. If you do get one of these, get a spare wing and a second battery to go with it.

In addition to being a fun parkflyer, the plane glides very nicely. We
thermal soar the Aerobirds at our glider club field.

If you are interested I have written up a tips sheet on how to fix the
Aerobird.

Here is a review of the Aerobird Challenger
http://www.hobbyzonesports.com/Discover/Articles.aspx?ArticleID=1289#Page01
On these pages you will find Videos of the Aerobird in flight
http://www.parkflyers.com/html/aerobird_video.html
http://www.modelflight.com.au/model_flight_videos.htm

With 250+ flights on the Aerobird, I love it and have recommended it to many
friends who fly them now as well.

I have heard lots of good things about the Multiplex Easy Star,
another RTF - There are two at our field. They fly very well.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFXV0&P=7

For about $190 you get everything you need to fly. This plane is more of a
park glider as it is larger than the Aerobird and has characteristics that
should make it a better glider than the Aerobird Challenger but can still be
flown as a parkflyer.

Also the T-Hawk from Toytronix is popular at our club and makes a good first
plane.
http://www.readytoflyfun.com/thawk3chrtf.html

Has he ever considered gliders?


From Electric Park Flyer to Sailplane - my second plane

THE GREAT PLANES SPRIT SELECT RTF 2 METER SAILPLANE -

If you are more interested in sailplanes than parkflyers, the Spirit Select is
completely assembled with all the electronics installed. It includes a 72 MHZ
three channel radio. It is branded Hobbico, but it is really a Hitec radio.
This was my first glider.

Here is a link to the site where I purchased it. You can get it for $160
complete!
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVK55**&P=7

Here is a link to the ARF version where you can find links to two product
reviews. If you want to do some building, the ARF is the route, but for an
extra $40, I got the radio and the plane ready to fly. For me that was
perfect.
http://www.greatplanes.com/airplanes/gpma1045.html
Video
http://www.greatplanes.com/gallery/gpma16.mov

The plane has spoilers built in the wings that are not set-up when you get it.
If you want to use spoilers, you can set them up later, as I did. The third
channel on the radio operates the spoilers. The included instructions tell
you how to do it. I definitely recommend it as a first sailplane.


SPECTRA MOTOR GLIDER

I don't have one of these, but if you are more likely to buy a motor glider
than a pure sailplane, there is a version of the Spirit called the Spectra.
Essentially the same plane, but with a motor. Again, tower has it for $199
RTF - Add $10 for Eveready's and you are set.
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXVJ51**&P=7


Both the Aerobird and the Spirit have been a pleasure. I would recommend them
to anyone starting out in electrics or gliders who would like to go the
ready-to-fly route rather then building.

Building from these I now have 15 planes and over 700 flights. These are the two that got me started and I still fly them often.

I hope this has been helpful. Ask any questions you like.

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/2/2004 3:41:02 PM   
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Thank you so much for all of your responses! You guys are great. I think I am going to go with the Aerobird Challenger. However a seller on ebay said this wasn't a good "first plane" that the firebird outlaw would be better. Should I ignore him and just go with the challenger???
Have a great day fellows!!!! Don't forget to vote!!!
Hillary

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/2/2004 4:02:06 PM   
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Don't get the Firebird Outlaw. That is a 2 channel electric. What I mean by that is there are only 2 channels to control the airplane. The transmitter has 2 sticks on it like others, but it turns right by slowing down the right motor and speeding up the left one. Throttle control is by speeding up both motors evenly. I have been flying glow models for about a year, but the Firebird Outlaw that I got for my son had me befuddled. I finally figured out how to fly it by treating it like a powered glider. It does not have much power, it is slow to turn. The Aerobird (or any other 3 channel electric) would be a better choice. On a 3 channel, it has a servo for elevator, 1 for rudder and the 3rd channel controls the motor speed.

Long story short, if it is an inexpensive electric park flyer (under $100) and has a motor and propeller on each side of the fuselage, avoid it. Get a 3 channel plane and have fun. The good ones have 2 different rates of flight. Start out on the easier rate and learn to fly it. Once he gets better, he can change the rate to have more fun with it.

If he decides he wants to get into glow models after flying the Aerobird, make sure he gets in a club and gets help. After flying the Aerobird, he will may think that he can fly a glow powered model without help, but just remind him of how many times he crashed the Aerobird while learning how to fly it.


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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st p... - 11/2/2004 4:03:49 PM   
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Thanks so much!!!

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st p... - 11/2/2004 4:20:46 PM   
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I will present my case as diplomatically as possible here. I fly helicopters, electric and fuel powered planes, and run electric and fuel powered cars. So, as you can see, I'm heavily r/c addicted, but I'm not biased in my recommendations(my new bride is just happy it's r/c and not something more damaging). It's great that you support your husband's interest in a potentially constructive and educational hobby, however, as you said, you're not sure what level of interest he'll maintain after he gets involved (if he's like most of us, once hooked, he'll never let go), so spending a lot of cash that might be gone in a flash may not be advisable. As a first step, I agree with the previous suggestions of the hobbyzone and parkzone planes. Another to consider is the Parkzone Slo-V: here's a link The Slo-V is manufactured by the same firm as the J-3 cub mentioned by cubscubscubs, but is a little bit slower and would give your husband a little more time to react while learning to fly. I should add that everything needed to fly the plane is included in the box, and with all the hobbyzone and parkzone planes. All of the suggestions about seeking instruction are good--at least a cursory visit with an experienced flyer is in order. I'll give an example why--my father is an accomplished private pilot of 30+ years, with time in a broad array of aircraft. He thought this 'toy' stuff would be easy after the 'real thing'--nope. He destroyed his r/c plane several times before admitting that it was more difficult than he thought and that ne needed instruction. Since I've probably bored you to tears at this point, I'll end the story here.

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st p... - 11/2/2004 5:38:05 PM   
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I agree the Slow-V is a very good choice and, again, if he is trying to learn on his own with no help at all, it might even be a better choice as it does fly more slowly. The Slow-V gets my vote as well. Thanks Matt for reminding us of this new plane!

The Firebird series are two channel planes. They can be flown and you can have a lot of fun with them, but they are very easy to lose in any kind of wind. They are not a bad choice, the Aerobird and the Slow-V, as three channel planes, are a better choice and will better preprare him for more advanced electrics, gliders or glow fuel powered planes.


Three tips for his loving bride when he does plan to try and fly:

1) Find help if there is anyone with experience!

2) NO WIND! Regardless of which plane he gets he wants to learn to fly the plane, not how to fight the wind.

If he gets the Aerobird - calm to under 5 mph winds and no gusts, until he has mastered it. - A minimum of 25 good flights and good clean landings in a row - at least.

If he gets the Slow-V - calm to under 2 mph winds and no gusts. The slower plane will give him more time to react, but the wind will push it around more. No single factor will cause him to fail than trying to learn to fly in wind!

3) Lots of space - LOTS OF SPACE

For the Aerobird - At least 600X600 - That would be 3 acres by three acres or 9 acres of clear space - no trees, not cars, no nothing! More is better! That would be about 6 football/soccor fields of clear space.

For the Slow-V - At least 300X300 - That would 1.5 acres by 1.5 acres. Or 3 football/soccer fields right next to each other.

Anything smaller and he is just begging to crash.


Finally get him in touch with us, so we can help him, answer his questions, guide him on repairs, etc.

We want him to enjoy this new hobby, not be frustrated by it!

I hope this helps.

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/3/2004 7:37:13 AM   
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A question you might ask yourself is how much time would I like to devote to this sport, as well. After I reintroduced myself to RC after a 28 year gap, my wife was so enamored by it, she got signed up as a club member and took her first buddy box flight last month! We are a team in it, she seen me progress, crash, rebuild, and generally have a great time. Ive seen her progress and develop friends with a group that I understand and like as well. The clubmembers actually call us "that couple team" Anyways, You sound extremely supportive and should have as much fun it the hobby as your lucky hubby

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/3/2004 1:41:46 PM   
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Like I said -- don't be surprised if he starts sleeping with the plane (it will be in his thoughts, regardless of where he sleeps). You may like to sleep with the plane as well.

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RE: PLease help Wife wants to get her hubby his 1st plane - 11/3/2004 1:48:54 PM