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bird of time - 11/1/2004 2:26:19 AM   
xplayer930


 

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Status: offline 		Any body have a bird of time?? im really intrested in buying one. Would like to know what ppl think of it.
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RE: bird of time - 11/1/2004 5:18:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		The ARF has wing problems. Build one and put carbon in the wing spar.

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RE: bird of time - 11/1/2004 5:17:22 PM   
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I haven't heard a lot of good things about the ARF version either. The kit is a bit of a challenge, but nothing insurmountable if you read the instructions until you understand what they're getting at. It would be a good winter project. I'd go with SoCal on the carbon if you're going to do a lot of winch launching.
The BOT is a delight to fly and very impressive in the air. I'd highly recommend it.

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RE: bird of time - 11/1/2004 9:57:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Three piece wing is a must. Original had a two piece wing that you taped together and rubberbanded onto the fuse. No spoilers.

Here is Dave with one of the originals 1979 Davis, California.

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RE: bird of time - 11/1/2004 10:16:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		is the fuse on the kit version fiber glass like on the arf version? What is the challengin part of the plane? Making the gull wings? Its cant be any harding thant he sterling kit i just finished up!lol

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RE: bird of time - 11/1/2004 10:50:57 PM   
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The kit version has a balsa fuse and uses an embedded bellcrank & pushrod to activate the full flying stab/elevator. The ARF has a fibreglass fuse and uses a micro servo mounted in the tail to activate the stab. It requires a long extension lead which some people say leads to interference or chatter problems.
I've had no problem with my 2-piece wing, although I can see an argument for a three-piece. Spoilers would be a good idea. I don't have them on mine, but I wish I did.
Construction is fairly straightforward, although there is a LOT of it. I had some trouble figuring out what the instructions were saying at times, especially around the wing joiner. If you can build a Sterling kit, you shouldn't have any trouble with a BOT.

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RE: bird of time - 11/2/2004 1:07:45 AM   
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Not to go off topic but do u have any sterling models of ur own. My sterling is a stinson Reliant SR-8. it my not be the biggest plane in my fleet but it gets more attention than my 33% giles! lol

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RE: bird of time - 11/9/2004 3:48:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been flying the BOT ARF for about 1.5 years now. In the past, I've launched it almost entirely with my heavy-duty hi-start and consistantly get 500+ foot high launches. I set my personal glider altitude record of 2100 feet AGL back in May on this plane and am happy to say I got it back in 1 piece. This summer I've had it winched up and it definitely has to be nursed with the pedal because of the wings. As far as thermalling is concerned, the thing puts "float" into the term "floater". It doesn't like wind over 12 mph unless it has ballast and even then it's not happy while making fast low altitude turns in turbulance. But when it's in it's element, it flies as nicely as it looks. So for an relaxing easy going glider that looks nice and thermals well, it's fine. For full pedal winch lauches, forget about it!

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RE: bird of time - 11/9/2004 11:10:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Papermache,
I agree with your comments re the building. I have had mine I think 12 years now. It was built over about 4 months. I added some washout (I can't remember how much) and this is certainly worthwhile. It's a simply unique classic gider that flies as well as it looks. Damn near lost it straight up one day but equally I have had some amazing scratching sessions on the slope. When you are trying to land it you feel you need spoilers, but there is a technique from the single channel days that can help. Wag the tail! This increases the drag somewhat and is a poor mans spoiler. Be ready for the pitch up though, you need a little down elevator too. Ultimately you just get good at ultra low circuits.
Regards,

John.

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RE: bird of time - 11/10/2004 12:57:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		You mention glitching from long servo extensions. Using Teflon plumbers tape often helps with electrical rejection. If the problem wire is inside the airframe wrap the whole length. If wire runs outside you have the additional alternative of laying the Teflon on the wire and laying a better bonding tape over that. I believe this method insulates individual wires from electrical hash while not shielding reception. Plumbers tape is avaiable at hardware store and is often referred to PTO.o PTP.

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RE: bird of time - 11/11/2004 4:52:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		I recently bought and built the bird 3000, chech republic ARF distributed by esprit models. very nice plane, well built, and very little to do to finish it. it is an aileron plane, and i have it set up to use the ailerons as spoilerons. fairly effective. i have it set up for electrics, with a kontronic motor and gearbox. wing loading came out to about 11 oz/foot. i can post more details if folks are interested. flys very well.

r.

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RE: bird of time - 11/12/2004 9:17:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ahh, Teflon tape does not prevent electrical glitches.

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RE: bird of time - 11/14/2004 4:08:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about that black electrical tape. Does the "electrical" in its name mean anything of consequence? I'll it keep servo current from affecting the radio antenna?

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RE: bird of time - 11/15/2004 4:43:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you dont mind the extra weight copper braide from Radio Shack, The kind that makes a tube, or srip a piece of microphone cable and get the braid from that. Slip it over the servo and battery wired, solder it or connect it to the black wire in battery pack should stop all glitches.

There are also ferrite beads that will stop glitches, but you have to know aprox what frequency the glitches are. These just slide over the wires no connection necessary.

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RE: bird of time - 11/16/2004 4:42:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just ordered a NIB B.O.T. ARF, 118" 3 piece wing from a guy on RCU. I started out in R/C with sailplanes in the 70's but have been away from them for many years flying power. Since I retired earlier this year and am living in high desert I thought I would get back into them a little.
I have a NIB pair of Multiplex MPX-Super-Storklappen (spoilers). I found these at a swap meet years ago and have been hording them and now I finally get to use them.
I have not seen the plane yet, it's on it's way from Ct. so is there any easy way to reinforce the spar? I assume from what's been said the spar is a weak point for high G tasks. I'll be flying it with a 10 to 15 size glow power pod and sometimes a hi-start.

Regards,
Chuck

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