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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 1/18/2006 2:26:07 AM   
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HI to all. I have flown rc heli for 10 years. rc planes for 20 my old man got a new trex with all the goodies and that cost a lot! for his first heli a bit much. thought the rotofly would be a good starter for him NO NOT AT ALL sad to say this is a very very poor machine. wast of money
if you are a beginner buy a real heli spend the money dont waist it on a cheep poorly designed heli
i called helimax and was told by tech "you get what you pay for" he also told me it was for beginners and built to last 20 or so flights. also flight time is about 4 6 min tops not 10. this is not intended to slam just my exp. with it

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 2/1/2006 4:24:21 PM   
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I just bought a rotofly does any one know what other motors besides the factory re-placements will fit. I have the xrb with over 50 flights with no burned motors. I do notice that even my xrb motors when they do get hot they lose power. I only fly my xrb for five minutes then I let it rest. I guess the same might apply to the rotofly since the motors are loosing power.
look at these will they fit.

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JC

http://www.helihobby.com/html/skylark_upgrades.html scroll down the page.

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 2/1/2006 4:25:27 PM   
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I just bought a rotofly does any one know what other motors besides the factory re-placements will fit. I have the xrb with over 50 flights with no burned motors. I do notice that even my xrb motors when they do get hot they lose power. I only fly my xrb for five minutes then I let it rest. I guess the same might apply to the rotofly since the motors are loosing power.
look at these will they fit.

Thanks
JC

http://www.helihobby.com/html/skylark_upgrades.html scroll down the page.

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 2/1/2006 4:59:36 PM   
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I'm using a Razor 300, very nice. You could also use the 350. For the tail a Feigao 1208430S. These are brushless motors but worth it. They never burn out. I use two Castle Creations Phoenix 10 esc's. You could also use the less expensive Castle Thunderbird 9 esc's.

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 2/7/2006 4:23:41 AM   
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Hey Foamaholic,

Does the razor 300 use the stock 8 tooth gear? Is your brushless tail motor direct drive and what prop are you using? Is it possible to use the feigao tail motor as a stock gear drive unit. What gyro are you using? How does your copter fly compared to stock?

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 2/7/2006 6:16:11 AM   
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gibbonsbunch -- Yes, I use the stock 8 tooth gear with the Razor. Feigao tail motor is direct drive, 3-2 GWS prop. I got a prop adapter for it somewhere but can't remember where. I imagine you could use the Feigao geared, but I didn't try it. I use the GWS PG-03 gyro and the stock receiver. I would say the heli flies a little better than stock. I switched over to brushless after only a few flight when I was just learning so it's hard to say the difference exactly. I use a Kokam 2s 740 20C battery.

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 5/1/2006 2:37:46 AM   
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I've had my HeliMax Rotofly for over a year (got it January 2005). I've had several problems with it. It looks like a lot of people are having the same problems. Here's my experiences:

1. Skidding to the left - Mine does this too. Adjusting the trim will not fix it. I fly indoors, in my carpeted 20x18 living room. I always fly with the training gear attached. I place a 1.5" thick, 3-ring binder notebook on the floor and set the heli on it, so the heli is leaning to the right. The right-side feet are actually on the carpet. Then I throttle up and take off. Using the notebook solves the left skid problem for me.

2. Circular Wobble - Setting your flybar paddles so they are level is the best thing you can do. Make sure the paddles are firmly attached, or they will fly off the bar and hit the wall! Even with good paddle adjustment, the wobble is still going to happen. You've gotta watch the heli and try to counteract it with the cyclic stick. You have to fly this thing - it will not fly hands-off!

3. Those Pesky Bearings - No telling how many rotor head bearings are lost in my back yard. I tried some "Super Glue" from Ace Hardware. There is nothing good to say about Super Glue - it will not stick to anything but your fingers! Now, I use epoxy from Ace Hardware. This epoxy needs 24 hours to reach full strength. It will hold the bearings on for several crashes, but eventually they will come off. I'm going to try the suggestion about using small screws to hold 'em on.

4. Those pesky tail motors - Most of my tail motors have lasted for several flights, but even with the heat sink, they will fail. This is the only part I have had to replace due to failure. All the other parts I broke were my fault. All I can do is keep several motors on hand in case I need one. When I screw the new tail motor on, I always have to add a shim to make the gears mesh properly. I make my shims out of the fake credit cards I am always getting with those "pre-approved" credit card offers.

5. It flies backwards! The RotoFly really wants to fly backwards. I think the tail motor heatsink is part of the problem. I have taped a quarter to the bottom of the canopy to try and correct the balance problem. Still, I have to give forward stick all the time or it will land on its tail.

My overall impression:

This was my first RC flying model. I can fly it pretty well now. You do NOT need airplane experience to get a fixed-pitch heli off the ground. The HeliMax RotoFly seems pretty tough - I've taken into walls and furniture countless times. The rotor blades don't break - they just fold back. But I have broken a couple of rotor heads. (Mostly, I just buy new rotor heads because I need the bearings.)

The RotoFly is too unstable to be a good indoor copter, and too light to be a good outdoor copter. Still, I've used it both indoors and out and it's fun.

I'd like to get a good indoor copter with counter-rotating blades. I was thinking of the HorseFly, but I'm seeing a lot of flames about it. I'd also like to get a collective pitch model for outdoors. Here, I've been thinking about the NightRanger 3D.

Anyway, that's my experience so far with the RotoFly.

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 5/1/2006 4:58:58 AM   
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Oh, yeah - I forgot to mention the battery. After a year of use, my rotofly got to where it would barely lift off and would immediately come back to the ground - even after recharging the battery. I thought my main motor was bad, so I replaced it, and added a nice-looking, purple anodized heat sink. It still didn't work. So I replaced the LiPo battery and now it works fine.

I know NiCd batteries will get weak after a while, but I didn't know LiPo's would, too. Now I have an old LiPo battery to dispose of. My new battery came with a sheet of rather frightening safety warnings. But I've never read anything about how to dispose of old LiPo's.

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 5/1/2006 2:30:12 PM   
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I must agree with you i have the same problems with my rotofly. Do you have any advice on that mine is always moving to the right???? I also own the Hirobo xrb with the tethered line i must say it is so much easier to fly than then rototfly. (rotofly can take a better beating on the parts than the xrb especialy on the blades) I think the rotofly is just a unstable helicopter the must i can do is make it hover for maybe 30 seconds at most. I am going to keep ontrying but if I cannot control this tiny beast it is on its way to Ebay with all the extra parts. I will be looking into the blade cx dual rotation for my indoor flying......
JC

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 5/10/2006 4:28:13 AM   
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My rotofly started going hard right immediately on takeoff and nosing into the ground. This was after a crash. I discovered that my swashplate had snapped apart. The swashplate has two pieces. The bottom piece is attached to the servo arms and does not rotate. The top piece is the rotating part. It had snapped out of its bearing. I pressed it back together with my thumbs and was able to fly again.

Another thing that happens a lot is the links that go from the flybar up to the rotor head will slip off. When this happens, the rotofly is even more unstable than normal, and your rotor head can pop off in flight! Sometimes the links come loose at the bottom (on the flybar). When that happens, it won't come apart, but it won't be very stable either. The ends of the links have to be on the little balls. Im learning to check carefully before I power up to make sure the swashplate, links, and paddles are OK. It's always something! Someone once said that a helicopter is just a bunch of spare parts flying in close formation!

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 10/2/2006 11:35:49 PM   
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hey out there i was wondering if anyone has tried uping the voltage on the rotofly, (from 7.4 - 11.1) I have the batteries and i'd like to give it a shot I'm just afraid of frying my chopper. I wrote to helimax to see what they would say but they said they had never tried it.

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 12/20/2006 7:25:45 AM   
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It sounds like we're all making the same mistake here. As a result our Rotofly is drifting to the left on takeoff.

I thought about the problem for a couple of days and nights, then went back to reading the manual. Sure enough -- they tell you to put that center hub of the training gear offset to the left. This somehow makes the little sweety lean to the right as it takes off and that stops the leftward drift!

I know when I first got that puppy I couldn't get it together fast enough, only skimming the manual. I'm learning to exercise a little more caution now.

Mike


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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 12/30/2006 4:41:54 PM   
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Flight time / Battery life / run time question.
Just purchased a Helimax Rotofly for my son. Well really it was for me but ... Anyhow I am having trouble with getting anymore than about 2 minutes of flight time using the stock battery packs, - I have 4 stock packs. The symptoms are the heli flies just fine for about 2 minutes and then slowly sinks to the ground. I can skid around on the ground for a couple minutes more but I usually give up as this is less than satisfying. All flights to date have been done indoors in my living room doing little 4ft circuits.

I have checked the heli for gear clearance and there is no apparent binding anywhere. I have also purchased a Thunderpower 730mah battery pack, This did increase my flight time to just under 4 miutes but still thats not very long.
Using a Wattmeter to monitor the battery packs during rechage I can see that they are only taking between 250mah to 360mah before showing a full charge at 8.4V.

I made 2 mods to the heli. 1- replaced the battery basket thingy with a couple carbon fiber rods, this allows the battery to be slightly forward and so moves the CG forward. 2 - made a couple of springs for the main blades out of safty pins, this keeps the blades at the correct angle and gets rid of the awful wooobleee problem.

Does anyone have any ideas on extending flight time ? Would a larger 1100mah pack help and could the heli take the extra weight or do I have a bad ESC or defective motor. Any flight time information would help.


jc

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RE: Helimax Rotofly Problems - 12/30/2006 6:10:08 PM   
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