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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/22/2004 7:36:05 PM   
otterdriver


 

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Status: offline 		I will have to agree with Doug about the unlimited I think they are going to be pretty busy for the judge's to keep up with and where did all those 1/4 rolls come from I liked 04's better, Mark

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/22/2004 8:22:54 PM   
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I flew it at the Shootout. I quietly complained about it to my friends who were quick to tell me to quit whining, so I did. What good does it do to complain about something you cant conrtol? I was very unhappy with it and I thought it went too far - as an unknown - evidenced quite well by the loss of one CA 35% Yak - the pilot of which "got all mixed up".


The Yak was lost on Firday during the first Unknown. Not on Saturday when the Uknown that I am referring to was flown.


Oh. Sorry then. Proposal A is similar to Sat Unk. Proposal B is similar to Fri Unk. I whined about both, but admittedly more about Fridays, by Saturday I was just numb.

I was sure hoping this years intermediate would have let up a little so that some of the rediculously large Sportsman class would consider moving up. Oh well. Time to burn some gas and enjoy the challenge. Hey Ryan, you gonna move up join me in intermediate then? (It'll make you a better pilot)

Roger

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/22/2004 8:28:19 PM   
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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/22/2004 9:58:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Friday Intermediate Unknown has nothing to do with the 2005 Proposal B. I know who wrote each of them and they were not done by the same person. The Saturday Unknown and the Proposal A were done by the same person.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 1:43:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Aresti.......If you are invovled in working on the sequences, you need to listen to the inputs you are getting. Duane put together some outstanding sequences for the SC region this year. I value his comments. Here are my 2 cents........

A single cross box with no return is not a good idea. It may help the guys who can't fly a straight line, but half the sequence will be drawn in too tight or pushed out to far for those flying the sequence properly.

CJ

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 2:04:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why is it that the Basic class has not been mentioned yet? Is it that no one cares about this class? I have heard a number of people make that statement before. I flew SCAT last year and truthfully SCAT made the Basic class one of the most important classes there. Having said that, the basic sequences, other than the !QUOT!A!QUOT! sequence 180 degree turn, look almost identical, not much to decide on there. Why doesn't it include any inverted maneuvers? I stressed all last year learning how to draw a straight (well almost straight) line while inverted. Sorry if I seem whiny, but I WILL be flying this class and being new to IMAC have some concerns over what others have told me.

Thank you,

Andy

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 2:19:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andy,
The reason I moved up was because Basic is not take seriously as a competition class.
If I won (BIG IF) I wanted to be recognized like any other class winner.
I moved to Sportsman with to me is the FIRST class.
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Why is it that the Basic class has not been mentioned yet? Is it that no one cares about this class? I have heard a number of people make that statement before. I flew SCAT last year and truthfully SCAT made the Basic class one of the most important classes there. Having said that, the basic sequences, other than the !QUOT!A!QUOT! sequence 180 degree turn, look almost identical, not much to decide on there. Why doesn't it include any inverted maneuvers? I stressed all last year learning how to draw a straight (well almost straight) line while inverted. Sorry if I seem whiny, but I WILL be flying this class and being new to IMAC have some concerns over what others have told me.

Thank you,

Andy


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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 2:56:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Blow n Go

Aresti.......If you are invovled in working on the sequences, you need to listen to the inputs you are getting. Duane put together some outstanding sequences for the SC region this year. I value his comments. Here are my 2 cents........

A single cross box with no return is not a good idea. It may help the guys who can't fly a straight line, but half the sequence will be drawn in too tight or pushed out to far for those flying the sequence properly.

CJ


It was up to the BoD to select the finalists from the sequences that were submitted. If there is an issue with what was selected, that needs to be taken up with the BoD. I had not part in that process. As far as the figure in questio, it is not a problem and had been flown many times. I will grant that there CAN be a problem if the pilot chooses to fly too large of a radius at the top. I will also say that the concept that you are talking about is sound, but does not apply as strongly in this case as it would to say a 90 degree roller with no return.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 2:59:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andy540T

Why is it that the Basic class has not been mentioned yet? Is it that no one cares about this class? I have heard a number of people make that statement before. I flew SCAT last year and truthfully SCAT made the Basic class one of the most important classes there. Having said that, the basic sequences, other than the !QUOT!A!QUOT! sequence 180 degree turn, look almost identical, not much to decide on there. Why doesn't it include any inverted maneuvers? I stressed all last year learning how to draw a straight (well almost straight) line while inverted. Sorry if I seem whiny, but I WILL be flying this class and being new to IMAC have some concerns over what others have told me.

Thank you,

Andy


IMAC does allow any inverted flight in Basic. They say it is too difficult. I do not agree. I also strongly oppose the 1-turn spin. Hard to do and hard to judge. It has no place in Basic. But I had no say in what was picked. IMAC has slightly different criteria for sequence design than did SCAT.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 4:52:14 PM   
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A single cross box with no return is not a good idea. It may help the guys who can't fly a straight line, but half the sequence will be drawn in too tight or pushed out to far for those flying the sequence properly.


I have to disagree CJ. A cross-box humpty can be made very tight over the top. 99% of the time when you pull vertical, you will be able to decide very quickly if going out or coming in is best for you. Now a 180 degree roller, figure-N...those are different animals. Cross-box humpty - no biggie.

Ken

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 6:40:20 PM   
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YES! I had time to hand my transmitter to my caller, go for a coke and a burger, eat them and come back in time for the pull out. We even had a 2 point roll at the top of a loop, 5 miles high! WHEW! Thanks goodness we fly big planes!

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 7:05:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		After flying Fridays unknown and seeing just how long the downline was after the stall turn, I truly considered adding fuel line between the tank & carb after recieving Saturdays unknown. The downlines were incredibly long!

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 10:06:51 PM   
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< Message edited by mc130p_fe -- 11/23/2004 10:08:14 PM >

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/23/2004 10:24:41 PM   
UNLDAVE


 

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Status: offline 		Hi All,

We went and flew a few gallons a piece yesterday Here in Nor-Cal...Worked on the Int. proposals for a while.. Both of the proposals aren't that Bad....Although to make them look good they have to be flown BIG... The cross box humpty out bound results in the pilot having to learn to do the 90degree roller inbound....Something different...GOOD!!

Both of the advanced proposals are Difficult but fun ...I REALLY like B!!!

Just a few more days till they're finalized and we can really start burning some gas!!!

Can't wait for Phoenix,feb05!!!!!!! Dave

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/24/2004 12:01:55 AM   
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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/29/2004 2:16:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		wow, who is this aresti2004...sounds like an insider to me. basic not a competitive class? say it ain't so!! a guy invests in a airplane, spends several flights making it fly straight, finds a caller, practices, learns the rules, and focuses on disciplined flying, buring lots of fuel, and and someone (in contrast to the imac rules, btw) says that person isn't a competitor? wow.

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