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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/29/2004 7:56:44 PM   
Anna Wood


 

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Please don't paint with to broad a brush, when talking about all of the IMAC Regions and how they handle the Basic category.

In the Southwest Region our Basic pilots are included in our IMAC Southwest Region Season Point Title Challenge series. They are also welcome and compete at our SW Regional Championships.

There is no short shrift of our Basic pilots in the Southwest.

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Anna Wood
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Assistant Regional Director

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/29/2004 8:35:06 PM   
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Please fill me in on what happens at a contest to the basic pilots when the other classes are flying their unknowns. In SCAT the basic class flew a single known sequence. I have heard that in IMAC basic does not fly on Sunday morning and I don't want to be misled any longer, so I am asking the Expert.

Thank you

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/29/2004 8:49:05 PM   
onewasp


 

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You hit the nail squarely on the head with that comment. The Pattern(s) today are flat ugly!

Yeah, I'm one of the old fly-by set where grace and style were King. Somewhere along the line the moniker "ballistic" was applied-----wrongly so. We were simply getting the power we needed and managing the speed, as you well know.

My "for myself" flight still is the '77 FAI schedule although there are many combinations that are flowing and pleasing to the eye----both the practiced and the uninitiated eye by the way.

We also used to fly close in where you could actually recognize those with grace vs. those with just the mechanics. It was fun to fly and fun to watch.

I'm afraid '---we should live so long' applies to your hopes--------but those are my hopes as well.

Pattern folks themselves have driven most away. Pattern used to be King-----long live the King.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/29/2004 11:09:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Andy540T

Anna,

Please fill me in on what happens at a contest to the basic pilots when the other classes are flying their unknowns. In SCAT the basic class flew a single known sequence. I have heard that in IMAC basic does not fly on Sunday morning and I don't want to be misled any longer, so I am asking the Expert.

Thank you


I'm no expert, but I did sleep at a Hliday Inn Express last night

Most all of the IAMC contests in the SW region have Basic fly a single Known opposite the other classes Unknown.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/29/2004 11:12:39 PM   
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As for the NATS, I truly wonder how many Basic pilots would travel to Muncie to compete? If you could demonstrate the numbers, then yeah, I'd include it, but I'd hate to have the class and then have 6 people show up, all local.


Perhaps this rule should be applied to all classes. As I recall a couple of years ago there were very few pilots in Advanced at the NATS. Should we set a minimum number of attendance for a class and if it is not reached, then cancel the class?? That is the logic that flows from the above.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/30/2004 12:00:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		2004 NATS had 6 Advanced pilots.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/30/2004 12:14:11 AM   
Anna Wood


 

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Status: offline 		Just like Bill says, the Basic fly, at least, a single known, while everyone else flys their unknown.

At the local events here in the Southwest, it is not unusual that the Basic pilots will have flown one extra scored sequence then everyone else. Depending on time and the amount of Basic pilots, it is not uncommon to have them fly their known twice while everyone flies their unknown.

Regards,

Anna

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/30/2004 1:35:06 AM   
Silent-AV8R



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ORIGINAL: Ryans Rebel

2004 NATS had 6 Advanced pilots.


Then by Doug's criteria this class should be cancelled. Especially if most of them were "local".

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/30/2004 1:53:06 AM   
quist



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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/30/2004 5:19:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		<<There were guys in that class who were very skilled and were attending contests solely for the purpose of gaining points and winning the season's championship. The only problem with this is that it is very discouraging>>

The problem i have with that statement is that it penalizes a pilot for becoming competitive. a guy gets the bug, puts in the time on the flightline, buys the right hardware, and takes his competing seriously - and he wins. is he sandbagging or earning what is rightfully his? sure, he may ruffle a few feathers, but he didn't dangle the carrot, the region did. all he did was go after it. points work great when lifers (guys who are terminal class residents) want to hash it out, but when someone comes along who really takes it seriously, all the sudden the complaints start - and unlimited is no exception, if not the worst. as i stated in another post, you fly against yourself, not the guy next to you. if you both get all tens across the board, and the other guy still wins, then you have something to complain about.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 12/2/2004 1:07:50 AM   
vatechguy3


 

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Status: offline 		after competing in basic last year, and planning on at least beginning this season in basic (need to dial in the new plane) i have to agree and disagree with some of the point made.
from what i have seen, flying in both the NE region and the SE region, there were NO 40-sized planes. the smallest plane i saw was a 1/4 scale with an os 1.60. the next smallest was a patty with a da 50. so lets be honest, this class is not "basic" and the pilots coming to thest contests are there to compete, not learn how to fly. the biggest difference they have to learn is how to be judged at doing the manuevers, and in flying wind correction.
so yes, basic does need to be competed at the nats, and there SHOULD be unknowns flown in basic. all but 2 of the contests i went to last year did fly unknowns in basic. like was said earlier, the unknown could be as simple as reordering the sequence or maybe 1 or 2 manuevers.
just my .02 cents worth.


now for my question. when are the 2005 sequences suppose to be finalized?? i thought it was today??

thanks
tony

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RE: 2005 sequences - 12/2/2004 5:59:20 AM   
Doug Cronkhite


 

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ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite
As for the NATS, I truly wonder how many Basic pilots would travel to Muncie to compete? If you could demonstrate the numbers, then yeah, I'd include it, but I'd hate to have the class and then have 6 people show up, all local.


Perhaps this rule should be applied to all classes. As I recall a couple of years ago there were very few pilots in Advanced at the NATS. Should we set a minimum number of attendance for a class and if it is not reached, then cancel the class?? That is the logic that flows from the above.


I actually find that to be very reasonable. If you have 40 Sportsman pilots who want to compete, why should the class be limited to 17? Especially if only 6 Advanced pilots attend? While it certainly wouldn't be the decision of one person alone, I think a minimum entry requirement by a given cutoff date to be quite practical for the Nats.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 12/2/2004 6:01:59 AM   
Doug Cronkhite


 

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I really hope that whomever the guys are doing the Unlimited sequence , will look at a nice flowing pattern that can be held in close
frankly the last two years knowns were -in my opinion ugly.
The idea of upping the difficulty factor -which makes the pattern bigger yet and almost impossible to judge well at some points, is ludicrous.
I will compete this year but I would hope that someone in the voting booth looks at making the patterns pretty and in close .
who are they trying to please?


Last year's sequence was terrible from both a positioning and judging standpoint. The new sequences are in my opinion not much better, especially from an ability to accurately judge it. While I doubt the Unlimited pilots will have much difficulty flying it, it will be VERY hard to find skilled judges capable of keeping up with it and the downgrades associated with it.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 12/2/2004 3:06:30 PM   
Silent-AV8R



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ORIGINAL: Doug Cronkhite
Last year's sequence was terrible from both a positioning and judging standpoint. The new sequences are in my opinion not much better, especially from an ability to accurately judge it. While I doubt the Unlimited pilots will have much difficulty flying it, it will be VERY hard to find skilled judges capable of keeping up with it and the downgrades associated with it.


I agree completely.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 12/2/2004 4:07:30 PM