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2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 5:41:58 PM   
quist



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Status: offline 		the proposed 2005 sequences are now available for IMAC memebers in the members only area. these sequences look very busy and no free passes. So they should fly faster.
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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 6:08:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		But I'll bet that people will figure out how to stretch them from horizon to horizon.

BTW - what class are you flying in '05??

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 7:44:56 PM   
quist



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< Message edited by quist -- 11/20/2004 7:45:53 PM >

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 8:45:25 PM   
tony/amps



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Status: offline 		there are no free pass's in imac. your maneuver ends and the next one starts immediately.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 8:47:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you aren't an IMAC member you can see the proposed sequences at the Northwest IMAC site.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 9:07:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tony/amps

there are no free pass's in imac. your maneuver ends and the next one starts immediately.


True enough, but Tony was using it as a generic term to indicate a long level pass (scored of course) with no actual figure on the line. This is a waste of time just driving from one end of the box to the other.

Pilots need to learn to fly tight. I was totally blown away at the Tucson Shootout to see a full scale Sukhoi flying a 360 roller smaller and tighter than 99% of the IMAC rollers I see flown.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 9:29:18 PM   
Diablo-RCU


 

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Status: offline 		Say, could one of you clever fellows check out the proposed Intermediate sequence?
Have a look at Figure 8 on Proposal 2. It looks like a 2 point roll, half loop, then positive snap. Shouldn't that be a negative snap from inverted to inverted???

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 9:36:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you mean figure 9 on proposal 2... are you asking if it is an illegal maneuver? According to the maneuvers catalog that is an allowed maneuver.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 11:04:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking at the IMAC sequence criteria I currently have I am assuming things have changed for the intermediate class in 2005. According to what I have only 1 full positive snap from level or 45 degrees is allowed and 1 full negative snap from inverted to inverted. Anyone care to comment?

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 11:29:36 PM   
Silent-AV8R



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First A320's comments. There are no written guidelines for Known Construction. Don't confuse the Unknown Guidance Catalog with the Knowns. Having said that, there are general guidelines the BoD uses for each class. For 2005 it was decided to allow negative snap rolls on both level inverted lines and on inverted 45 downlines.

Now to the questions about the figures. Figure #8 on Intermediate Proposal B is a vertical upline with a 2 of 4-point roll up, exit negative.

On Proposal A, figure #8 is a 1 and 1/2 continuous rolls from inverted to positive. That is followed by a positive snap, 1/2 inside loop, full roll, exit negative.

The last two figures are the same in both. Pull to a negative 45 downline, full negative sap roll, exit negative. Then a 90 degree 1 roll roller to the inside. Enter/exit negative.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 11:31:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you look at the snap criteria for intermediate, it does allow a full positive snap from inverted at the top of a loop or half loop.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/20/2004 11:34:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again, there are no published criteria for Knowns. Only Unknowns, and they are different. The only real true published criteria is the FAI catalog, and I can assure you that all these proposals are fully legal by that standard.

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/21/2004 12:04:30 AM   
adampbry


 

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Status: offline 		What happened to crossbox?

Unlimited B has only one crossbox maneuver (a humpty where the loop over the top is crossbox), and Unlimited A has two maneuvers, but one is just the entry to a roller. Personally I think the most interesting parts of the more complex advanced/unlimited sequences are the crossbox elements that require planning and skill to position properly. In some sequences it seems like back to back crossbox maneuvers make it go even faster because it makes it impossible to draw a long line between maneuvers. Is this an intentional effort to control sequence size?

Anyone know the story?

-Adam

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/21/2004 1:26:59 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sorry to argue with you, but I do have a sequence criteria that was published by IMAC for what the limits were in each family of maneuvers for each class. Known or unknowns. So far in all my IMAC flying over the past several years I have never seen anything that deviated from that published criteria. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see more than a single snap in intermediate, but I would like to have an updated list or you guys could be flying some very interesting unknowns if you come to Phoenix in February next year to fly in the return of "The Cactus Classic".

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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/21/2004 1:46:00 AM   
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RE: 2005 sequences - 11/21/2004 2:21:54 AM   
Silent-AV8R



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ORIGINAL: A320driver

Sorry to argue with you, but I do have a sequence criteria that was published by IMAC for what the limits were in each family of maneuvers for each class. Known or unknowns. So far in all my IMAC flying over the past several years I have never seen anything that deviated from that published criteria. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see more than a single snap in intermediate, but I would like to have an updated list or you guys could be flying some very interesting unknowns if you come to Phoenix in February next year to fly in the return of "The Cactus Classic".


The official Unknown catalog is being re-worked right now. It needs a fair bit of work. As far as the Knowns, sorry, since I worked on the 2005 submittals I think I can tell you that there was NOT a document that was used. We had discussions with the BoD as to what was desired, what was acceptable and so on. But the only really official document is the Unknown one. And believe it or not, but there are things that are legal for a Known that are not OK for a Known. Any Unknowns that I write in 2005 will comply fully with the new catalog of Unknown figures, once it is finalized.

Hope that helps.

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