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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 2/27/2005 2:24:32 PM   
A.T.A.C.


 

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I started with a Commander which had problems turning left after 6 months of flying and crashing. The motor would intermittently stop at certain throttle settings when making left turns. I called the Hobbyzone customer service to ask how I can fix it. I had no expectations that they would do anything for it as the plane was battered. They asked me to send it in. I packed the fuselage and the transmitter, and mailed it. A week later I had a brand new Commander at my door step! They did not even ask for a receipt as the plane was a gift. I bought an Aerobird with great comfort and peace of mind, knowing that the company stands behind it. After 10 different planes (ARF and kits) I still love flying the Aerobird. It goes to work with me in the trunk, waiting for an opportunity to scramble and fly at a short notice!
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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 2/28/2005 10:44:23 PM   
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I think I have solved my "twig snap" problem of the boom separating from the pod retainer clip by using a small (1/16 inch) wide zip-tie. I drilled two small holes, one on each side of the indentations for the retainer and threaded the zip-tie through, over the boom and back out the other hole. By snugging the tie just enough, you get a very secure mechanical joint without damaging the pod. The feeder end of the zip-tie is very flexible and can be shaped somewhat like a fish hook to make the threading of the tie process pretty easy. This fix can be done easily from the outside so there is no need to enter the fuselage at all.
Remember to place your holes at the rear of the boom retainer indentation. This will make sure that you capture the boom securely. There is a cut away view of this area on the Commander page in subject 5 (minor repairs) of the following link.

http://www.hobbyzonesports.com/Discover/Articles.aspx?ArticleID=1263

Bob

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 2/28/2005 11:05:27 PM   
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Thanks Bob, that sounds like a great solution.

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 3/1/2005 11:25:07 PM   
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I will certainly keep this site for future reference. If I felt responsible for my Firebird problem, I am not at all adverse to trying home remedies. From what I saw in comparing my Scout to a brand new one at the local dealer, the entire pod on mine is warpped to beginn with. I shipped it back yesterday.
Yes, I am a cautious guy. I have already purchased a Firebird Challenger. Haven't put it together yet. I will get some experience with the Scout for some good many hours before I fly the Challenger.

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 4/11/2005 2:27:07 PM   
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Hey, that's a good pointer. My son and nephew just bought Firebirds at a hobby show... son Sean the Firebird Outlaw, Kyle the Firebird Scout. The Outlaw flew just great, out of the box. The Scout has done nothing but nose-dive. I played around with it myself, and while I'm not a plane guy, these should be pretty basic, but nothing made this plane fly. Given that HobbyZone has a decent reputation for beginner planes, I figured something must be wrong. We'll check this one out ASAP.

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 4/14/2005 12:05:55 AM   
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I used dental floss. But it did involve removing the servo unit, which really isn't that difficult. You need a fairly large sewing needle and a pair of surgical clamps helps.
I am looking at the possibillity of replacing the entire carbon fiber tail rod sometime in the future. Mine also broke back by the tail wing section, just on the wing side of the servo line exit hole. I found a piece of plastic artist brush that was the righ size to fit tightly into the open end og the seperate broken fuselage. I had to run my antenna line directly out of the bottom of the plane body, and electrical tape it in 4 spots to the bottom of the carbon fiber tube so that it will hange just below the tail wing, ack away from the prop.

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 4/18/2005 8:25:04 PM   
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I also had the same thing with the pod on the scout!
I took a heat gun to it. That fixed it. Now it fly's Great!!!!

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 4/20/2005 12:04:03 PM   
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HI i had a problem with the tail rod too. i was thinking of sending it in. what do u guys think. because if they think that it wasnt a defect its not worth $30 for a new feulsalage(<-- thats spelled wrong right?)for somthing that i can just click back into place


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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 4/21/2005 2:08:04 PM   
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Amoo3: That sounds like a lot of time and trouble sending it back for a new fuselage for such a simple fix. Check post #52 for a really quick, cheap and easy fix.

My biggist problem with the Scout has been the skiddish electronics. Twice now there has been a "jitter" to the control surfaces develope in the electronics...but only for a left turn. I'm not sure if it is in the survo or the receiver.

Has anyone else had this repeated problem?? And if so where did you find/fix it?

Bob

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 5/1/2005 2:41:20 PM   
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Hi! I just got my Firebird Scout in the mail yesterday, and today we had a test flight, which ended in a serious crash. I guess the wind was stronger than we anticipated, but anyway the scout took a dive and smashed into the ground. Wings and tail controls were unharmed, but the carbon tail boom broke!! It broke just where the control lines come out.
Does anybody have experience in fixing this problem without having to buy a new fuselage? Will my Scout ever fly again? I would be very happy if some´body could guide me. THANKS!

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 5/1/2005 4:38:45 PM   
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I have had the servo jitter problem you have had. I sent it to Hobby Zone and they were unable to fix it. I have a new plane that is coming Tuesday! I'm not sure if it is a new Scout or a Commander but whatever it is, its freeeeee!!!!!

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 5/3/2005 10:40:58 PM   
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Here is what I know as of today: If the carbon fiber tail rod is broken in two, but still firmly attached in the fuselage, You might try patching the tw o broken pieces back together with a piecr of 1/4 inch aluminum tubing. You can find it at Hobby Lobby, or maybe some other source. It is made by K & S Engenering and comes in 2 12" legnths for about @2.00. Or maybe you might have some old windchimes around with 1/4 aluminum tubes. The will slide right over the existing carbon fiber tubes on the plane. When you are sure of their alignment, I advise a hot glue gun for the bond. Be sure to cut off a long enough patch piece to make the bond rigid.
If you have to drill a new hole for the control lines, be sure and make it large enough fot easy movement of the lines. If you drill a new hole, drill it on a slant towards the fuselage to insure it doesn't bind in the traverse up to the control arms on the tail wing. 25 lb fishilg line works fine. It is cheap, so if you replace the existing lines, cut off 2 good 3 foot pieces to allow yourself plent of slack to work with. If you do replace the existing lines, you will quickly see that is is much much easier to feed them from you newly drilled hole up to the fuselage than vise versa. I had difficulty getting the antenna line treaded back thru the tail rod hole, so I just poked a hole in the bottom of the fuselage and spot tapped it to the tail rod back to the end of the tail rod. I would advise younot alter the legnth of the antenna line, as it may affect the servo reception.
If you replace the control lines, you will need to remove the servo unit. 4 screws on the bottom of the fuselage. Pay close attentention to where everything is and how the control lines threat thru the servo base and position on the servo arms.
I tried today to replace my entire carbon fiber tube with the aluminum tubes I bouhgt from hobby lobby. The 1/4" tubes are too big to fit into the fuselage, but just the right size for the original carbon rods to slide into. The 7/32 aluminum tubes are the same diamater as the original carbon fiber rod, but not as strong, I found that out on my first experiment flight. The 7/32 aluminum tubes bend way way to easily upon impact.
I have an order on the way from MIDWESTPRODUCTS.COM. I order some carbon fiber tubes from them. About $12.00 for 24 inches of .210 outside diameter tubes. I will try them for tail rod replacements. I expect them to arrive this week. I will give you all a report when I test them out.
I have left some other post here about securing the tailrod into the fuselage pod. I few minutes with some heavy thread or dental floss and a large needle to cinch the carbon fiber rod securely into the little cradle inside the fuselage wil save you from the frustration of nosediving upon take off when that poorly spot glued manufacturing flaw pops out of place.

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 5/3/2005 10:52:01 PM   
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I certainly believe Hobby Zone should have just the carbonfiber rod with the tailwing mount available as a replacement item. They are going to get their shipping/handling fee, which is what about 60% pure profit? I can't imagind anyone paying $32.00 for just the fuselage replacement when they can get a whole new plane for $55.00. The shipping charges will be the same. So why not get an entirely new wing, remote controle and battery?
They seem to be more geared toward the comsumer than the hobbyist.

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RE: bought a firebird scout, good looking plane - 5/4/2005 7:39:06 AM   
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Thanks a lot for your very serious and thorough description! I will locate some aluminum tubing and try my luck. I'll make sure to report back to you when I have fixed it to tell if it will fly or die... :-)

J

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