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Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/12/2004 7:06:30 PM   
zwflyboy


 

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Status: offline 		Was going to try the Moki 2.10 in the GS Top Flite Mustang and was wondering if anybody out there knows how it flies with this engine. I am not looking for incredible power, but dont want it to be a dog either. IF you have flown it with this engine let me know how it flies. I would like to stick with this engine since I have one and money is tight. Also what is a good mount for this engine in this bird. I am going to use exhaust from keleo-creations for it. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/12/2004 9:35:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		ZW,I have a 210 in my TFGS 51 and I am really pleased with it.It fly's a little better than scale, big loops,easy to start[just a back flip of the spinner] after you get used to the engine.Because it is inverted it will flood easily so if it does just take the glow plug out,clear it and then start her.It takes some practice, but once you have it down pat you'll have no trouble.Read your instructions and you'll be OK.If you have any problems E-mail me.Tom

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/12/2004 9:54:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have flown a fellow club members and would have to agree with propwash. Although, I would say it flies scale (many describe scale as underpowered to make up for a lousy plane/engine combo - not me) ,the 2.10 has no problem doing loops and climbs just like the real deal. Speeds seem right too. I would imagine with a good carbon prop you could push the scale envelope.

We here in the states don't always get to see Mustangs fly as intended, maybe at reno. With fuel quality and flying expenses, most airshow mustangs are hardly put through their paces. I've been over to Duxford and those blokes fly the bugger out of them. I once saw a hot young fighter jock tear up Duxford with the a P-39 (P-63?) Incredible, that allison was howling and the harddeck was like 10 feet. I can tell you most club safety types would need medical attention after that performance.

The Moki can be a pain to start, especially the flooding issue.

Go Zenoah G-45 and forget your troubles...........and save lots of money at the fuel can !

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/12/2004 11:46:27 PM   
zwflyboy


 

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Status: offline 		Prop Wash. Thanks for the advice. What is a good engine mount for this combo and what size prop wrks for you the best for you? Thanks again.

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 12:01:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was going to put a MOKI 2.10 in a pica spitfire and was told by a friend they were too much of a pain to get to run inverted. I would love to hear different. It's not finished yet and would love to hear about set up or any details on problems you might have had? thanks

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 12:42:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a Moki 2.1 that I purchased with the thought of putting it in the 1/5 Mustang Kit version. Before I could build the model I got a killer Deal on a GP Extra 300 ARF and thought what the heck never tried an ARF and put it in Patty. Well when I showed the guys at the field not one had a nice thing to say about the Moki. I took time to break it in, used extra caster, and OS F plug etc and followed the directions to a tee. After about 3 gallons of fuel its one of the best running engines Ive ever owned, and pulls Patty straight up! Matter of fact the field "observers" now cant believe its a Moki. Mines side mounted but another guy at the field has one thats inverted and says its one of the best hes owned also. Ive also found the fuel consumption to be fine, frankly much better than my Saito 180, which is often Quoted as a fuel hog. I wont hesitate a minute to put the Moki in my 1/5 P-51.

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 1:01:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have heard nothing but praise locally (southern california) about the Moki 2.10. I have both a Pica 1/5 P-40 AND the Pica 1/5 Spitfire that (weight permitting) I plan on putting a Moki 2.10 into. The best price I have been able to find is from Chief Aircraft in Oregon for 289.95. Is anyone aware of better pricing elsewhere?

thanks!!

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 3:41:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nice picture boss,ZW the radial mount is what I have backed up with several ply plates to set the engine out to the proper distance for the spinner.Plus the pits style muffler inverted is perfect.The engine is a little hard to get used to,as I said it does flood easily.But as long as you don't over chock it and clear the glow plug it will start with just a back flip of the spinner.I never use an electric starter[on any of my motors] just a chicken stick or back flip the spinner. The instuctions say it is best to back flip,sowhen you do back flip with a chicken stick don't turn the prop until you feel the compression, start your flip before you feel compression.Once you get this engine to run right[I should say when you are doing it right]you'll be home free.I had the same problem with the nay sayers at my field to until they saw the Moki run.And mine is still breaking in.The breakin prop is a 20-8 and the prop that you will use later is a 20-10. And it all fits in the cowl,just the pits pipes show out the bottom.Tom

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 3:51:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		By the way ZW I did not have to add any weight to the nose or tail with the Moki,it balanced perfect.Fuel consumption is up there but not as much as my saito 180 either Randy.Is that you in that picture ?

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 1:00:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		My opinion of the Moki is that it is a good motor. It flies the plane fine. As pointed out, it is a pain to start, especially for a new owner. As propwash says, one back flip is all that is needed after you get use to it and tuned - that's true. One guy at our field primes like 15 turns, flips it foward one time, it runs backwards for about 30 seconds, then flips it back and it fires right up. He does this everytime, like clockwork.

A saito 1.80 is a hog, 20-30 ounces in 10 minutes at $15.00 a gallon, real warbird fuel bill. The moki is good for about 12-15 minutes with 32oz. in the P-51, not as bad but.............

I'm gas nut, the fact that my gas including oil is about $2.25 a gallon, easy starting and no mess allows me to have my cake and eat it too. Run the fuel out at the end of the day and all is happy at home.

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 7:56:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Prop Wash,

Why don't you use an electric starter on your motors. Is it because you don't want to mar the spinner? Or is it something else? I use a high torque sullivan starter on my saito 180 and it works like a charm. Soft rubber nose insert prevents marring of spinner surface.

Oriole

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 9:46:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had a Moki 2.1 in a ohio rc 84 inch extra it has lots of power however if you are going to end up with led in the nose go with gas instead
as far as puting it in a pica not likely my 1/5 mustang came in at 28lb and 3W 42 was not enough I would go with a Da 50 MINUMIM and a mustang going full out should not luber in the air I think you should go gas a good 60+ like zdz or brison 4.2 and have some in reserve to get you out of trouble when you need it also a bigger prop is a good air brake for landing

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/14/2004 10:03:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Flyboy,
I've been flying 2.1's and 1.8's for years and I would not trade for gas. The 1.8 on this Spit has more than 400 flights and the power and reliability has remain constant. YOu should also consider the 1.8 since it would fit completely inside the cowl. (Nothing worst than a P51 with carb and muffler sticking out) If you build right, you will not need more than 1lbs of lead in the firewall.

JG

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/15/2004 12:54:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		JGRc, in your case I agree, spits with junk hanging out of the nose is really ugly. A mustang......aaahhh who cares, there's a million of em' and in my case, it's an ARC and I want it to be an everyday plane, easy to adjust, start and maintain. That means G-45. As stated, it's cheap too ! I'm saving my consealment for my spits ! (3W50 as per Vic's install)

Love your spits ! PB was on Spitfire Ace flying in the Trainer MkIX, what a treat !

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RE: Moki 2.10 in GS Top Flite Mustang - 12/15/2004 2:40:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		Oriole,I don't use a starter on my saito 180 or my Moki 210[or my smaller engines either]because I'm a purist.I believe that if I must use a starter then my engine is not tuned properly.I have a system for the 180---I choke it several times then attach the glow starter and turn the prop by hand until it kicks,then I use my chicken stick and she starts everytime at a beautiful low idle.My Moki I choke a few times then back flip with the spinner or chicken stick and she purrs.Granted I don't like to mess a spinner up either.Besides I just like to mess with them.I started flying before starters were very common.The guys at my field ha