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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 3:07:27 PM   
charrua



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Status: offline 		Yes you are right Pat!
Kurt is the guy I talked to yesterday when I ordered my batteries and switches and he is a great guy he explained to me the way the reliaswitch works and you can't go wrong with it. If you don't fly for more than a week just unplug the batteries and that's it. That will also save you to have to buy or install 2 more switches for the batteries.
Also in case of a fail it will fail in the on position.

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 8:05:36 PM   
charrua



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Status: offline 		Ok I couldn't wait any longer so i had to call Tom and order the Edge from him.
I cant't wait to get it now!!
Nice talking to you Tom

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 9:35:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		pretty much in the same boat as you Charrua, got the Edge from Tom over Christmas, waiting on the pack from Tom with 5x 8611's and all the other hardware.
Got a DA50 with their 3" standoffs and extenders.
Will order the Fromeco batteries from Kurt. He already has a package for IMAC planes. 1x 4800 mAh, and 1x2400 mAh.
Is it really necessary to go with the redundancy with the relia switches?
I found this site which shows pretty much how to build and wire up using the Fromeco batteries..I found it very informative..

http://www.edge540t.com/guide.html

Good luck.

Hey Tom, everything all right for you guys in Thailand?

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 10:03:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		That's what I was saying earlier. IF your going to use the reliaswitches then the need for redundant battery packs isn't really necessary IMO. One 2200 on the radio and the other on the ignition is all that you require.

If your going to fly this plane IMAC style then you'll probably not have any issues with carrying extra weight around but....

If your thinking your going to 3D it then get it in your head before the first drop of glue goes down to keep the AUW to a minimum.

My Edge is built basically stock with Tom's hardware pack, 2 6V 1400 mah nicads w/HD switches, 1 4.8V 1400 nicad for the ignition, aluminum tube and landing gear(stock parts) and a Hitec 5735 on the rudder. The plane flies VERY well and is a ball BUT it has all the traits of a heavy airplane where 3D flying is concerned. The DA 50 on a slimline pitts will barely pull me out of a hover on a hot summer afternoon. I broke the engine in using an MSC 22 x 8 and tried a Mej 22 x 10 and a Menz 24 x 8, the nod goes to the 22 x 10 for best all around performance IMO. FWIW I'm at 1100 ft. ASL.

In 2005 I plan on getting Tom's glass gear, CF tube, Kavan wheels, 5 8611's and 2 2200 Fromeco batteries w/reliaswitches. Doing those mods alone will shave almost 2 lbs. off this thing and I think I will finally have the plane I wanted LAST year. This has been a real learning process and even though I saved some money this past year and got the plane in the air and enjoyed it, to really get it flying the way I want I'm still going to be spending another $600 which will push my total up around $2K when all is said and done.

Nope this stuff isn't cheap but it sure is fun!

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 10:08:21 PM   
charrua



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Status: offline 		Mannnnnnnnnnn Thanks for that link.,.,,,,, sure those pictures are nice, and will help a lot to try and do a nice job on building this plane.

Do you know if the landing gear is the stock that came with the kit and the holes in it where just drilled to get it a bit lighter?

I hope mine will end up looking like that one!!!!

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 10:37:05 PM   
charrua



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Status: offline 		May be you are right Shogun about going with just 2 batteries instead of 3 I was planing,,,, too bad I already bought 'em...... But I guess I can still use them

So I was gonna go with the 2 batteries and the reliaswitches from fromeco on the receiver and I was going to use a 4.8v 1500mah ni-cad for the ignition. Cause I was concerned about switches going bad like everyone was saying but I never had a switch going bad on me,,, but it's true I never had a Gas Engine before, so since the the Relilaswithces will fail in the on position I guess there is no reason to worry about switch going bad right?
And if I go with only 1 battery for receiver and use the other battery for ignition I will only save 4 7/8 oz that's what the 4.8v 1500mah + Futaba HD switch weight so I dont think saving 4 oz + of weight will make so much difference.
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What do you guys think???

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 11:18:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Saving weight on any airplane is a matter of cumulative choices adding up to a total savings. Right now 4 ounces doesn't sound like much but consider this....

Kavan's tires are roughly 3 ounces lighter than the Sullivan wheels that are in Tom's hardware pack, add that to the batteries 4 ounces and you just shaved almost half a pund off the plane. Now if you apply that same thinking to 5 or 6 components the savings adds up quickly.

Lighter planes fly better, simple as that.

Check out Gene Payson's site and learn a bit more on the subject:

http://www.troybuiltmodels.com/Accessories.htm

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 11:39:59 PM   
charrua



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Status: offline 		Hey shogun I was reading on that link of the edge540T about the landing gear and he says that drilling 4 holes in each side will make it almost as light as the other landing gear. I wonder if it will be as strong?

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/27/2004 11:49:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Shogun..How much flight time do you get with current battery pack's?? I am contemplating the Fromeco's 1 2400 for rx and 1 2400 for ign with the reliaswitches..I also got Tom's glass gear (very nice!) and a CF tube from Troy built..Also am running 5 8611's..I also have a smoke system..Ya think the 2400 on the Rx would give 3-5 flights??

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/28/2004 2:42:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		Drilling the gear will not only make it lighter, but weaker as well. If you land well all the time, then you might want to consider it, but if you don't...

My position on batteries, which unfortunately differs from the managements, is to run one battery on the receiver and one on the ignition. But I do like to have amps, so I use a 4400 Li-on for the radio, and when I want to get light, I use a 2400 Li-on for the ignition. Both with regulators. It comes out pretty light. 5 big digitals can pull a lot of amps under the right conditions. Fast and furious, full deflection 3d is one of them. The plane can fly it well, but can your equipment? Don't skimp!!

As Tom relates on his website, trying to save weight can lighten the wallet pretty quick. But you can save quite a bit of weight by going with the carbon fiber wing tube from Troybuilt, the glass gear from Tom, the Kavan tires and eliminate the spinner and wheel pants. It doesn't look nearly as good without the spinner and pants, tho.

Lighter spinners are available from Bisson Mufflers. All fiberglass, and they eliminate the long center bolt by using side screws as in full scale spinners. They're worth looking at. Carbon fiber spinners can be rather difficult to work with at times, and are quite expensive.

Using a wood prop will save weight over a carbon fiber one, and probably give better performance at a lower price anyway.

Don't go beefing anything up on the airframe to "make it stronger" It doesn't need it, and it just adds weight. Re-seal all the covering laps and add a little thin ca at the wood joints to be certain all is well and go on from there. A little more fuel proofing at the firewall won't hurt, but isn't really needed. It's more of a "feel better" thing.

Tom's going to bark at me on the battery thing, I just know it.

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/28/2004 3:00:31 AM   
charrua



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Status: offline 		Hey pat
How long have you had this setup on the plane the 4400 li-ion for radio and the 2400 li-ion for ignition ?

Now that i'm thinking my setup of having 2 packs of 2400 li-ion for radio and the 4.8 1500 ni-cad for the ignition it's kind of stupid since I'm also going to use the Super Reliaswitches for the li-ion batteries. Maybe I shouldn't worry about having the 2nd battery pack for the radio and go ahead and have just 1 of the li-ion for the radio and 1 for ignition and both will be on the Super Reliaswitches

And may be if I'm not too late call Kurt and have him make me 1 4800 instead of 2 2400.

What do you think???

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/28/2004 3:13:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've been running this battery arrangement since about April of this year, and had them in another plane before that. These batteries are Duralites, not Fromecos. The cell types will be the same or similar between the two, and the electronics with Fromeco products is far superior.

I recently made the switch to Fromeco for my other plane because it seems to me that the Fromeco product and product line is superior to the other one at much lower prices. It's also been nice to speak directly with the manufacturer with Fromeco, where with the other one I never had calls or messages returned. That's a very fast way to re-direct my discretionary dollar.

But then again, I'm not a "big name" competitor with my face in all the mags, so I guess calling me back, or providing good servce shouldn't be as important

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RE: Edge 28% or Extra 28% - 12/28/2004 3:33:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Redrum, the 2 nicad packs total out to 2800 mah and that is WAY more than I need on this plane to be honest. I typically would arrive at the field this past summer with them fully charged showing 6.9 volts and then fly all day Saturday and all day Sunday, about 5-7 flights of 10-15 minutes duration each day. On Sunday afternoon I would check the voltage under a 1 amp load and usually I was down to 6.1 or 6.2. The system works and is reliable but the packs are 5.3 oz each and the ignition is a 4.8 volt 1400 that weights 4.1. That is nearly a pound of cells in my plane and I have to tell you it flies like it's a couple of pounds too heavy.

The nicads were inexpensive and reliable and the savings got me in the air in June rather than waiting till September when I would have had all the other goodies to do the plane the way I felt it should have been done from the start.

I would caution about going with a light spinner on the Edge as it can be a chore getting enough weight up front to get it to balance. Only go fiberglass if you like flying tail heavy, otherwise get a nice tru turn or Dave Brown and plan on keeping everything as far forward as possible.

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