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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/20/2006 4:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its been great reading all the info on the CAP, It really helps to hear what is working and whats not.
I finished and flew mine today!! all went well!
I haven't touched a plane in a few years and this was my venture back into this great hobby.
I used the OS surpass .70 with a 14X4 and let me say its a perfect combo! No it wont keep up with some of the 3D machines out there but thats not why I wanted the little plane.
She weighs 6pounds 6oz and balanced with no added weight.
I did use a micro servo for the throttle and mounted it on the side of the firewall....VERY EASY, VERY LITE! (no extra steel rod and sheath)Would have weighed even less but I went with a 5cell (6volt) pack to help out the servo speed and power.
She leaps into the air with very little runway and slows down well with that flat prop.
I did notice a slight tendency to nose over if you don't climb on the elevator on grass landings but even as bad as I fly its manageable.
Again thanks!
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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/20/2006 7:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Got the cap built and we took it to the field yesterday. The only mods were Sullivan Tailwheel, Sullivan 12oz tank and we put a Saito 82 in it. Prop is a 14x6 and seems to be the right prop for it.
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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/20/2006 9:53 PM   
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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/21/2006 4:29 AM   
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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/21/2006 5:02 AM   
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I switched to the sullivan tailwheel also. I like these so much I retrofitted one to my P-6e Hawk. They work great and save the wear and tear on the rudder.

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/21/2006 8:42 AM   
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Can you post a video of your Cap in flight?

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/21/2006 3:55 PM   
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Status: online 		BTW, there is yet another 46size CAP around and it's a real deal.

We saw it at the big swap meet at Perry and one of the guys bought it. It's an ARF and it was $99.95 and the box shows the Matt Chapman paintjob on the aircraft. I just finished a KYOSHO Cap and have flown it maybe 4-6 outings. So was interested in how this "new" one went together so built it for the guy who bought it.

It's an amazing value. It's basically the same as the KYOSHO one. One or two details differ, but the dimensions seem to be absolutely identical. The two models came out about 4 ounces different. The cheaper one actually has what looks to be "improved" details here and there. If I had to guess, I'd say the cheap one was going to be a later/upgraded version for KYOSHO. But it doesn't have any instructions, and some of the hardware looks like 2nds. And there is no manufacturer name on the box. Here are a couple of pictures. I didn't bother with the "paint splat" decals that came in the box because the paintjob is obviously the BREITLING scheme that KYOSHO used, and the splats wouldn't look right going over the trim that's on the plane.

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/22/2006 3:31 AM   
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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/22/2006 5:19 AM   
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Let me know when you are going to be at the field this weekend. I got the world models Mike Goulian cap 232 from a friend that I will be test flying. Would be interesting to compare. It would have been great to see Sebastian on the maiden flight, but Jerry and I had the opportunity to fly at the SLF (Shuttle Landing Facility) last Sat. That was quite an experience - the width of the Shuttle runway is probably double length of our field!

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/23/2006 6:38 PM   
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Sebastian didnt do the maiden. Since we just finished it that morning, we brought it out to the field to have some guys take an inspection for us and help with the tuning a little. Everyone felt it was ready to fly but I asked Kurt and Sean to take it up and see how well trimmed out it was. They both loved how it flew and thought it was a great plane. In fact, Sean came back over and asked to take it up again. He put that plane thru the paces and it looked sweet. It was actually pretty windy at the field that day, and Sebastian was fighting the mustang in the wind a little so I discouraged him from taking the CAP up...

I think we will be at the field Sat this week and may let him fly it then. I will bring the buddy box and think that may be the better deal for him in case it gets squirrly on him. He can put on an airshow with the CAP 580 on the simulator but you know how that goes.

You going to be there Sat or Sunday?

Later,
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Ken,
Let me know when you are going to be at the field this weekend. I got the world models Mike Goulian cap 232 from a friend that I will be test flying. Would be interesting to compare. It would have been great to see Sebastian on the maiden flight, but Jerry and I had the opportunity to fly at the SLF (Shuttle Landing Facility) last Sat. That was quite an experience - the width of the Shuttle runway is probably double length of our field!

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/25/2006 3:51 AM   
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Going to try to get to the field Sun. afternoon, if the wind will cooperate. Hopefully I will see you there. Looks like you guys did a great job on the plane!
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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/26/2006 4:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well maidened mine today and all went well..this is my 3rd plane and i am gonna have to get used to landing with a bit of power but other than that all went well...the thing does snap rolls like a mad man..really fun to fly and i cant wait to get out to the flying field again.I am running an 0s 91 4 stroke and i was running a 15x6 apc which is a bit big...bought a few 14x6 and apc and those should work fine but we will see> KIeth

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/26/2006 5:19 PM   
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I am running an 0s 91 4 stroke and i was running a 15x6 apc which is a bit big...



In what way? Ground clearance? I have this prop, and a Graupner 14x7, to try. I was thinking the fat, lower-pitch APC would be better on the 91 Surpass.

Started on mine yesterday. This thing is solid as a rock; as in, well-constructed. No wonder its heavy for its size. It should be VERY durable in normal use. Getting that tank former hogged out to fit a larger tank is going to be a PITA, but besides that it should go easy.

I'm still debating on whether or not to go ahead and move the gear up a bit right now, or try it first. Of course, it will be easier to do it now while the fuselage is bare; but I'd hate to add that weight and complexity unneccessarily...

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/26/2006 8:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It was a bit to big in the sense of swinging to large a prop...i had plenty of ground clearance..(except for the one time i overshot the runway on a landing ) just wasnt getting the rpms i wanted...I havnt tried it with the 14x6 yet so cant tell ya for sure but other guys running this engine at the field are also running this combo 14x6 and an 0s 91 not same plane so am gonna try it also i was running a master airscrew and an apc...the apc was far better as the ma flexed way to much.I also changed out my fuel tank and replaced the stock tank with a 12 oz hayes Kieth

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/29/2006 1:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would recommend waiting before moving the gear. We put a Saito 82 and a 12oz tank and when it was all done, the CG machine showed it balanced perfect.

Only had to dremmel about a 1/4 inch off the 2 former sides and epoxied in a popsicle stick in the back to provide support so the tank could not slideback.

My battery pack is in the back and receiver in the front.

I think you be surprised how it balances out without moving the gear.
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I am running an 0s 91 4 stroke and i was running a 15x6 apc which is a bit big...



In what way? Ground clearance? I have this prop, and a Graupner 14x7, to try. I was thinking the fat, lower-pitch APC would be better on the 91 Surpass.

Started on mine yesterday. This thing is solid as a rock; as in, well-constructed. No wonder its heavy for its size. It should be VERY durable in normal use. Getting that tank former hogged out to fit a larger tank is going to be a PITA, but besides that it should go easy.

I'm still debating on whether or not to go ahead and move the gear up a bit right now, or try it first. Of course, it will be easier to do it now while the fuselage is bare; but I'd hate to add that weight and complexity unneccessarily...



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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/29/2006 4:36 AM   
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I would recommend waiting before moving the gear.


The purpose of moving the gear forward is not for balance; its to prevent nose-overs while taxiing. Have you had a problem with that? Enough folks have mentioned it for me to think that it is indeed an issue.

Kman,

Thanks for the info. I'll try the Graupner 14x7 first, since I've used that prop many times with this engine; its a good combo.

If it is too fast on this model, then I'll try the APC 15x6. And you're right; those big APC boat paddles are heavy, and retard spool-up and top end rpm.

I've got a Hayes 13-ounce tank; its the same width as the stock tank, so all I had to do was enlarge the top and bottom vertical spacing on that former.

Still working on the front end. Got the engine, mount, and throttle linkage fitted. I epoxied on the cowl blocks this evening. Tomorrow I'll fit the cowl, install the SlimLine fueler and tank, and try to finish up the front end.

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 3/31/2006 9:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		It did not have any nose over tendancies with the gear in the stock position.

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 4/1/2006 1:45 AM   
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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 4/1/2006 3:48 AM   
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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 4/1/2006 8:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		With all tail draggers, I hold full up elevator while taxing. That coupled with blasts of throttle will keep the tail down.

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 4/1/2006 4:03 PM   
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With all tail draggers, I hold full up elevator while taxing. That coupled with blasts of throttle will keep the tail down.


That doesn't help when the model wants to nose-over during roll-out, or when you apply throttle for take-off; both problems that I've read can occur with this airplane.

If the mains are not far enough ahead of the CG, any taildragger will want to nose over. Good examples are the Super Sportsters and the CG Super Chipmunk. Some models tend to do this more than others.

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 4/1/2006 7:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had a super sportster. The CAP580 is definately not as bad as the SS. I never really had a problem with my cap580 in grass or hard packed dirt.

edit: I do however have some big 2 3/4 wheels and no pants on my 580.

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 4/1/2006 10:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I went out today..and although i only got one flight in with the cap it was so much fun...the changed prop to a 14x6 made a big diffrence and i really enjoyed it..i am trying to get rid of some 10% nitro i have and after that am gonna change to something with some kick maybe some 20% heli fuel..either way it was a blast and I am really happy with this plane.. Kieth

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 4/6/2006 1:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been looking at this plane for a long time. Didnt read through the whole thread, but would a mag 91 fs be to much for this plane? Or should I put a Mag 70fs in it? Is this plane very aerobatic? I have a GP Minnow now and it is not aerobatic, just a pylon racer, so I am looking for something aerobatic. Will this plane fit the bill?

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RE: Matt Chapman cap 580 .40 size - 4/6/2006 3:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		The plane is very aerobatic. Not a 3d monster, but excellent at everything else. Awsome lomcevaks and other tumbleing tricks too. For complete details and flight reports read back a little.

The 91 is more weight. 70 will give excellent but not forever vertical, the 90 will give forever rocket vert.

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