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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 1/16/2005 10:17:02 AM

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i would still get a sh.28 because the .30 has over 3.0hp but the sh.28 has 3.5hp. if its horespower you want then get the .46 because i know that has 4.8hp.

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 1/16/2005 2:46:53 PM

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The issue that concers me, is how much RELIABLE stroke are the manufactures going to be able to stuff into the current "std" BB crankcase. As stroke increases, the diameter of the case has to grow equal. Right now there is BARELY enough room to attach the engine mount screws on .26's let alone a .30 !!! I have not compared stroke specs, maybe Collari just has a huge overbore, but that too is going to become a problem, as ultra high compression makes these giga-cubic inch engine a PIA to start. It took me over 9 hours of break in before I could snug down the glow plug in my Wasp .28 and consistantly start it.
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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 1/17/2005 11:04:44 AM

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Polar Bus

How many tanks of fuel did you need to run in the Wasp to get full RPM's out of it. I am at 12-14 tanks and it still seams to be not fully broke in yet. What is your experience?

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 1/17/2005 11:53:14 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Polar_Bus

As stroke increases, the diameter of the case has to grow equal. Right now there is BARELY enough room to attach the engine mount screws on .26's let alone a .30 !!! I have not compared stroke specs, maybe Collari just has a huge overbore, but that too is going to become a problem, as ultra high compression makes these giga-cubic inch engine a PIA to start.

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1. Stroke and bore are not dependent on one another (within an ideal value range of reason).
2. Compression will not change due to items like bore, but rather compressed volume at stroke-end... Which will be set by head clearance at TDC.

Collari makes some of the most powerful engines on earth. To the above poster who feels it will be weaker than the SH28... I have the SH and they can rate it at 3.5 all they want; that number is an estimate and IMO will not come close to it's measured value. To think that it will outpower the Collari shows a general void of engine knowledge, at least in the manufacturing side...

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 1/17/2005 7:09:00 PM

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quote:

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*snip*

1. Stroke and bore are not dependent on one another (within an ideal value range of reason).
2. Compression will not change due to items like bore, but rather compressed volume at stroke-end... Which will be set by head clearance at TDC.

Collari makes some of the most powerful engines on earth. To the above poster who feels it will be weaker than the SH28... I have the SH and they can rate it at 3.5 all they want; that number is an estimate and IMO will not come close to it's measured value. To think that it will outpower the Collari shows a general void of engine knowledge, at least in the manufacturing side...

Yes your statement with respect to compression is correct "in theory". As a bore grows, the compressed volume increases. The torque required to rotate the backplate shaft will need to be greater. My point simply was, mfg's have simply been going big, bigger, almost biggest, but really only focusing on enlargeing bore and stroke. Sooner or later they are going to hit a wall as far as how much C.I displacement can be had in the current bigblock configuration. BTW I have only been involvolved with nitro for about 2 1/2 years. What C.I. displacement was the first big block engine, and when did it become available?
Rich

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 1/17/2005 10:10:19 PM

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Well I remember the 21s over 10 years ago... IMO it's past time that they grew... back in tha day the SB were 10s, then 12s... I remember about 13 yrs ago that 15s were considered big for SBs; they kinda leveled off there until recently.

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/3/2005 8:51:14 PM

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Update:

I spoke with Werks on the phone today. They are expecting to take shipment of the engines next tues-weds (2-8, 2-9) with immeadiate turn around.

If the schedule stays (

) the same, look for them at your door on the 14th to the 15th.

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/5/2005 2:47:18 PM

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They just sent me an email saying that they should be able to ship on 2/11.

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/5/2005 8:14:30 PM

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Hey Frost..if you were selling tickets to the show..id buy one!!! LOL That suckers gonna be awesome...cant wait to see it in action. I know you will get some great footage for us all...

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/6/2005 1:18:00 AM

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BOOOOOOM

nuff said imo

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/6/2005 4:53:27 AM

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yeah frost cant wait to see vids of it in action! what gearing are you gonna use for it?

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/6/2005 2:17:09 PM

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14/52 baby!!!!!

Nah... I'll start with 18/52 or 18/49... My spur spares are mixed between 52s and 49s.

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/8/2005 5:44:39 AM

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I was all excited about getting my new Collari .30. Then my LHS has to go and burst my bubble.

He's telling me that he won't get them because it's not a real Collari motor. He went on to say that it's not even Italian, it's a Chinese block that Werks is trying pass off as a Collari. And to make matters worse I won't be able to set up my roto start on it.

Does any one know if this is true!!! Or is he just bent because I don't want the Orion .28 from him any more.

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/8/2005 12:33:37 PM

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He's full of crap.

That's an outright lie.

Werks is the official US distributor for ALL Collari engines.... do you think Collari would let them sell something that falsely represents them?

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/8/2005 4:12:53 PM

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Thanks Frost. He got me a little worried.

But do you know if the roto-start will be compatiable?

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RE: BEHOLD COLLARI .30 !!!!!!!!!! THE NEW BIGBOY - 2/8/2005 9:20:32 PM

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It's my understanding that there is a backplate "coming".... So who knows what that means.... Perhaps it will be a swap and see deal like some other recent BBS. I have a few diff. [roto] backplates to try