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gtutmark -> diesel fuel additive (12/31/2004 2:26:56 PM)

has anyone any experience with diesel fuel additive (cetane boosters) as a source of amyl nitrate/nitrite? i've been told that the commercially available cetane improvers will help our home-brewed diesel fuel - i have an 11 ounce bottle of 'wynn's spit fire' thanclaims to treat up to 30 gallons of diesel - any idea of how much i should try in kerosene?
thanks
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gcb -> RE: diesel fuel additive (12/31/2004 10:57:51 PM)

g,

Eric Clutton used to sell amyl nitrate, not sure if he still does. I prefer ready mixed myself. You only add 2%-3% to your fuel.

Not familiar with "Wynns Spit Fire", but I will guess that it is for full-size diesels. Don't know if it is useful in model engines.
Do you know what its special ingredient is?

George




gtutmark -> RE: diesel fuel additive (12/31/2004 11:58:53 PM)

if i knew what and how much, i'd not be askin - [:)]
- i'll see if i can get a msds sheet (nasty chemical sheet) on the stuff - these preparations are readily available - if they are a reliable source of ignition improver, they'll save us a lot of hassle




Motorboy -> RE: diesel fuel additive (1/5/2005 4:11:36 AM)

Not sure as a pure cetane booster, mostly as a cleaner for injectionpump and injectors and prevent soot in injector orifice and needle. At my job in car shop when i discovered the dieselengine had "knocking" sound in one of cylinders cause leak in injector, then i added the "Cetane booster" for dieselfuel. Some hours later the knocking sound disappeared. Not difference in effect.

Jens Eirik




mmuntner -> RE: diesel fuel additive (1/6/2005 10:19:18 AM)

Oddly enough (or is it really so odd?), 100% x (11/((11 x 128) +11)) = 2.60%.

Sure looks like it might work for us.

Best to Y'all from South Brooklyn, for the new Year,

Morty.




John C -> RE: diesel fuel additive (1/8/2005 3:13:20 AM)

You might want to get some MEKP (Methyl Ethyl Ketone Peroxide), better known as polyesther resin hardner (fiberglas, not epoxy). I've read about it as a substitute for amyl nitrate, and more readily available [;)]

John C




maxtenet -> RE: diesel fuel additive (1/11/2005 3:07:25 AM)

Cetane booster is amyl nitrite. It works as well as amyl nitrate but you need a little more. It is esssentially an ignition improver. You will note lower compression settings and easier starting. Heres the trick- you need about 4 % total, more causes harsh running and preignition so you only need a small amount.

Max




vauxhall -> RE: diesel fuel additive (1/12/2005 3:24:39 AM)

Is amyl nitrite the main ingredient of Wynns Spitfire? Has anyone used Spitfire in their home brewed diesel fuel. If so, what %.




Motorboy -> RE: diesel fuel additive (1/12/2005 5:19:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vauxhall

Is amyl nitrite the main ingredient of Wynns Spitfire? Has anyone used Spitfire in their home brewed diesel fuel. If so, what %.


No, Wynns spitfire are not pure ignition improver, mostly as cleaner for fuelinjection equipments in automotive dieselengines.

Jens Eirik




phil_rc_cab -> RE: diesel fuel additive (1/15/2005 8:12:20 PM)

I had my quest for cetane improver too, here in France.
It was for little diesels I collected past year.
I was amazed and charmed since the first time I run one.

The fun also was brewing my own mix from castrol oil ,ether (got from a vet being a friend, they have bigger 0.8 liters GIFFER can for big animals) and lamp oil or home heating kero. I was missing the !QUOT!magic spirit!QUOT!
I found a new product named !QUOT!CETANE DIESEL PLUS!QUOT! sold here in France in ELF gas pumps.
It is a blue aluminum bottle.
Since the join between 3 French oil companies ,Total having bought ELF plus FINA; the ELF stations recently changed their range of petroleum additives for diesel and gas.
ELF stations have also changed their colors now from blue and red to blue and yellow .
They sell now two different additives for diesel.
The !QUOT!CETANE PLUS DIESEL!QUOT!is a pure cetane improver, containing light petrol distillates (just for dilution I think)plus di-ethylhexyl nitrate. The reason for di-ethylhexyl nitrate seems to be it is less volatile than others : less bad fumes, easier to stock. the thing would have bigger atoms. From memory the diesel improvers are named DII ,DIII. this one is the last generation.
This product is a winter product. I can read on it:
-boosts cetane rating
-makes cold start easier.
-lessens the fuel consumption (saves fuel)
There is no doubt about purity , because the other diesel product ELF sells is specially aimed at keeping the engines clean . It contains 5 other additives: anti corrosion anti foaming, cleaning,.....

Here is one of the mixes I tried : 28% castrol castor oil, 45% ether, 25% lamp oil or kero, 1.5~2 % cetane booster. that's nearly 2 parts oil , 3 parts ether , 2 parts kero(+booster)
Despite not having a tach, I can tell you my little kalper seems to like it, running smoothly after run-in.
I use a syringe for measuring the booster.
(In a car the one dose -quarter liter- goes with 50 liters diesel oil .That's only a 1/200 ratio or 0.5%). I found a math curve on a web site showing that the amount affects the final cetane extra rating, until a max where it gives nothing more. I think the key -in our purpose- is the kero/booster ratio ,rather than total percentage. In my mix this ratio gives about 1/15.

Another question would be about replacing missing cetane improver by extra ether,lowering kero.That is obviously at the cost of less power.
I tried it in the initial run-in .
With a bit more oil , if you lower the kero and max the ether ,you get near an olde recipe :
30% oil,70%ether.
Another thing is the viscosity of the fuel in engines with steel cylinder and cast iron pistons.
These get tighter as the temperature rise. In my point of view it is dangerous to lower the oil in the mix.
Not only you get less lubricating by the mix itself , but (because it is too rich in the burning part of the full)you come to close the needle to far lessening the lubrication and getting a hot engine getting tighter running to fast getting hotter etc...

Last point : I ruined a pfeffer by miscare after running it.This engine has exhaust pipes which I connected to some tubing , in order to let oil falling in a bin .I wanted to keep my garage clean during the break in . I was quite sure castor oil would have kept the pfeffer free from rust.
Alas! the reddish~brown color I found at the end of the tubing I first thought was burned castor was in fact rust. For my other engines the color is always clear with sometimes a bit of black soot. (If I see any black I correct this by lowering kero , increasing ether and or cetane booster)Then it was to late the engine loosed compression and didn't want to come back to live.
My thought is cetane booster is at least a small part of the problem .
When I opened it I found a brown residue (nearly the same color of the exhaust) on the top of the piston. It cannot be only rust because it was not hard at all. It had no grain like rust.It looked like soft mould (mold) not as sticky as old gunk. This deposit seems to have favored rust in a ring on the top of the cylinder perhaps by acidity.
Now I will always clean my engine with pure kero or some kind of oil and will always get the exhaust port open to free air.
I am also looking for a product to remove that deposit on the piston.
I think about a product which removes sap on gardening tools.

Philippe Cabon.

P.S: I am looking for some repair help, or spare cylinder .I got my engine from **** and don't know any seller. I have no machining facilities around also.




Motorboy -> RE: diesel fuel additive (1/15/2005 10:19:31 PM)

quote:

Philippe Cabon.

P.S: I am looking for some repair help, or spare cylinder .I got my engine from **** and don't know any seller. I have no machining facilities around also.


Hi Philippe..
I can repair your engine if you want. I am model engine builder.[;)]

Jens Eirik




micron28 -> RE: diesel fuel additive (5/6/2006 1:27:04 AM)

Dear Friends.
I am experimenting with P,M,E;K; in A PAW 2.5 Tuned. And it works¡¡¡¡¡¡¡.
No problems in getting here in Mexico,You can turn a little the tommy bar, The engine works a little hot,and running is more regular.Do not know if you have to wash the engine after running with this addite??




gkamysz -> RE: diesel fuel additive (5/14/2006 1:30:47 AM)

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/acb.aspx

Try this product if you can get it. It should be readily available in the US through the companies site or through there dealers.

Greg




fonzio -> RE: diesel fuel additive (5/24/2006 3:55:03 PM)

can you suggest me a web site or articles about alkyl nitrates and acetals as cetane improvers?




Mavi91 -> RE: diesel fuel additive (5/29/2006 5:55:49 PM)

I use hexyl nitrate as ignition improver and find that it works quite well. It is also much safer than using Amyl nitrate or MEKP. It can be purchased in the US as Amsoil Cetane Boost (you can check the MSDS sheet online). There are dealers scattered about but I found it easier to order directly from the company via the web. I believe that DIII is hexyl nitrate, but couldn't find an MSDS sheet to confirm it. The only caution about hexyl nitrate is that when excessive amounts of are used, it becomes "thermally unstable," as the petro engineers say, meaning that it pops out of the mix to leave deposits in the combustion chamber. The recommended amounts are 1.5% for small engines and 2% in larger ones.





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