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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 10/17/2005 10:15:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Driftair's last post probably puts it best that each person needs to make a side by side comparison to determine which sim best suits their own individual needs and tastes... Each sim has it's own particular strengths and weaknesses and these may or may not be important factors to you. That is why this thread is so long and has such varied opinions.

Rocket01, while I did state above that I find the photo-realistic rendering to be similar between the "Big 3" sims... this certainly does not mean or imply that I also believe the "flight characteristics are equal or close to equal between [the] different simulators."

On the contrary, I believe this to be one of the important areas where there are significant differences between the sims. I also consider the type, variety, availability, and cost of additional models for each of the sims to be another significant difference, plus the exceptional functionality and computational demands of G3 compared to the others...

It largely depends on what each individual buyer wants/needs and how each of the simulators feels to that particular individual... I personally prefer AFPD, but that is only my preference, others have voiced different preferences. As driftair states, ultimately you have to make the comparisons for yourself...

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 10/18/2005 1:25:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		>>As driftair states, ultimately you have to make the comparisons for yourself... <<

I agree. The problem is that I called all of my Local Hobby Shops (in Las Vegas) seeking to make a comparison between the three main contenders (RFG3, Reflex XTR & AFPD) and NONE of them could accomodate my request.

For me, it finally boiled down to AFPD and Reflex XTR, based on what I have been able to learn online. It was a toss-up -- somehow I felt that AFPD might have somewhat better flight characteristics for planes, while Reflex XTR might have better photorealistic graphics.

I ordered AFPD today.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 10/18/2005 2:12:18 AM   
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http://rcflightsim.com
If you like it, you got a sim for $30. Can import and use any scenery from the big 3 as well.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 10/27/2005 1:34:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Skirtz,

For a low budget i think EASY FLY is better, much more uploads and scenerys and planes.....

FMS is for free and also much new uploads.....

With that rc flightsim are you only to lonely away your money.......

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 10/28/2005 11:38:00 AM   
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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 12/8/2005 5:06:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am ready to purchase a flight simulator. I have read this thread from cover to cover. I have learned a lot. For the most part you guys appear to be professionals, or close to it, not only in your flying experience, but very knowledgeable about software, tweeking the software, and some appear to be software engineers.

I am none of the above. I am currently learning to fly a Hangar 9, Alpha 60, and I am presently building a TopFlite Contender. I just want the simulator to help me learn the sticks, and throttle management and the resulting effects on the plane to make me a better flyer and progress more quickly. I don't get to go to the field that often, especially now with the weather.

I have looked at the sites of all 3. G3 has a Nexstar which is similar to what I am learning on and also, a Contender which I am building. So that's a plus. None appear to have a Alpha 60. PS: Aerofly could you please put better pictues of the planes contained in your software. Those on the site are terrible.If you pros were taking a student to teach to fly pattern and sport, which of the 3 would you recommend?

My computer can handle any of them.

I understand from reading this thread that all 3 are probably suitable, but what would you tell your student to purchase in order for him or her to learn the basics of flight, stick function, etc. that would also help you teach the student to be a sound flyer.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 12/8/2005 6:16:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Safebet,

My guess is that whatever simulator you choose, there will be something lacking in it. This will occur regardless of which simulator you choose. None of them is exactly the same as flying at the field. When it comes to basic maneuver's and control almost any simulator will help a beginner learn how to move the sticks to get the plane under control. When it comes to practicing realistic landings and aerobatics the simulators generally fall short of reality. Nothing will replace hands on experience with each of the simulators various features to enable you to choose the one that will serve you best when you are paying Hundreds for the product. The free simulators are a good starting point for comparison. I think the Alpha 60 can be fairly accurately duplicated using most any simulator trainer with the same wing style, size, wheel base, weight, and engine. In my opinion, Realflight offers the best value for the money! Don't get me wrong, I don't own realflight any longer and have not tried Realflight 3. But I get the impression that the landings with Realflight 3 may be more realistic and getting 3D flight to work correctly with its difficulty may be more helpful than the floating easy feel of Aeroflypro. Also I favor the Futaba controller that comes with the Realflight simulator, and it allows you to attach your transmitter fairly easily in order to use it in simulator practice with no extra cost when you select your transmitter type upon purchase. With Reflex XTR in the realistic screens I feel penned in, but it does have an interesting trace feature that could possibly help with pattern flying accuracy?

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 12/10/2005 8:25:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		Do all three flight simulators allow you to use your Tx (mine XP 8103)? Do the transmitter trims work the same way they do in actual flying? Can you use your mixes, such as Expo, Dual Rates, etc.? Another words are the Tx's fully functional just like they would be flying your real plane?

One of the simulators traces the flight path so you can see where you have been which would be beneficial if you were practicing Patern, which one?

Thanks, I would appreciate your help. I am ready to purchase. I downloaded the XTR demo and my computer runs it at 75 FPS. Is that good? It appears very real.


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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 12/10/2005 11:22:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi SafeBet,

The simulator that I know has the flight trace feature is Reflex XTR. I dont know if any others have that feature. All 3 flight simulators allow for the use of your own personal Xmitter. It just may cost more with some to get the adaptor. However, Reflex XTR does not come with a controller. It is sold only with an adaptor to use with the transmitter of your choice. This could be said about AeroflyPro & Deluxe also, but you can buy them with a controller, if you do purchase the controller version of AFPD it will be necessary to purchase special cabling that will then allow you to use your Transmitter with the simulator.

RealFlight simulators are the only simulators I am aware of that come with a very nice controller and the connections to be able to connect up your transmitter as well.

Please note that I do not fly pattern strongly and I do not use my simulator alot to practice pattern flight. If at all possible I strongly encourage you to make every effort you can to try and get a hands on experience with each simulator however possible before you commit to your purhcase. Hopefully you will find some friendly flyers who would be happy to share this experience with you.

I know that can be difficult but is worth the effort. Some stores have running demos, hopefully you are lucky enough to have such a store near you where you can at least try one of the simulators. I have not yet seen any store carry all three and provide a demo of them.

One of the things I recall not enjoying about realflight was how quickly the ground often seemed to just appear before crashing.
I found that with Aeroflypro this was not the case. Reflex XTR feels to me like being locked into a box, or flying inside a force field. I dont like that feeling, but it doesent keep me from flying with it and Aeroflypro Deluxe, partly because updates and upgrade with Reflex XTR are free or on a donation basis.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 12/10/2005 11:34:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		P.S. As for the JR 8103 having a working adaptor you can select with your purchase, that is a good question to ask and confirm at the time you choose to make your purchase if the information does not arrive before hand. Be sure to let whomever you make your purchase from know which transmitter you plan to use so that they can assure that you recieve the correct adaptor. When possible it is best to have all purchases and special requests recorded in print.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 12/10/2005 11:41:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		You might consider putting in a request for info reguarding the Expo and Trims etc to The Aeroflypro support section of these forums.
Or maybe if you are lucky one of them will notice your post and provide a response. Meanwhile, I think your transmitters functions will probably work with any of these 3 simulators and perhaps any simulator? So long as you have the correct adaptor for the simulator, in connection with your transmitter.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 12/11/2005 1:42:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, Driftair, you have been very helpful. Thank you for your responses. Right now, I think I am between AFPD and Realflight Gs. I have the demo copy of XTR and the AT-6 just rolls around on the grass and either tips over or runs into a fence. The trainer does fly around making a complete circle to a nose over landing in tall grass. The resolution and etc. seem to be good. but you have no input to the planes. I assume you just get to watch.

Thanks, again.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR...... - 12/11/2005 3:32:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just clicked on show all flights and watched the various planes and heli's perform on the XTR demo. The resolution is great, no jerkiness even on my built in video card. I like it and it seems realistic. I have asked some questions of the G3 developer on RC groups, waiting for his response. I have read all 41 pages of that thread. All in all G3 users seem to like it. I guess if a personal preference matter. I for some reason, although I have not tried it, can't get AFPD out of my head. I have read great review on it, too.

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