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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 3:27:10 PM   
Maudib



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Status: offline 		Nope... not a heli pilot... I had a .40 size a couple years ago... but that doesn't qualify me to review that aspect of any of the programs other than the base report that Reflex XTR felt more realistic and was "harder" to fly than AFPD's helis.... I took a heli stright out of AFPD and was doing loops and low inverted hovers.... I can't do that for SURE in real life... but hey... it sure was fun...

I also feel that the detail of the Raptor 50 in Reflex is amazing... it looks' so real I almost can smell the glow fuel...

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ORIGINAL: infernoMP

Maudib, do you by any chance fly heli's? I've been hearing that G3 simulates heli's very well....but unless it's leaps and bounds better than G2 it still sucks. I too have XTR and love it although I find the heli's need a slight bit of tweaking to fly the way I like them.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 3:39:19 PM   
Maudib



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I mentione dit in the very first post.

I had the chance to work with G3 for a couple days...

It was simply horrible. I mean not even close to what I expect from a 3D flight sim.

The 3D planes snap with VERY little elevator input, like the Yak... the profile was abominable... I've flown several 40 size profiles and can hover and harrier them all day long... not so with G3... I can hardly get the nose pointed up before it snaps out.

There would be occasional glitches where yo'd be flying along and hit an invisible tree. Or the plane from the start would jump and bob on the runway like it had mexican jumping beans,

Most all of the sceneries were filled with trees, towers, buldings, etc. and you had to edit them, to delete objects to create a real world field. Crazy.

It defeintely had a face lift... great looking overall... the 3D sceneries were, IMHO, a good deal better than AFPD's 3D scenery... but so what?

I found G3 to be simply unusable as a 3D flight sim. It was not just disappointing but literally excruciating to operate. My buddy felt the same way. Nothing realistic at all there.

Now the slope soaring was ver cool... tho perhaps not compeltely accurate...still very neat. And the non-3D planes like trainers, warbirds and such flew decently. But when you entered into stall speed area? Well, it just wasn't real at all.

Even watching the Pro vids within G3 you can tell they were flying with every ounce of their skills to make it look halfway decent.

On the Flip side... if they can fix the "error of their ways" G3 would be a big contender in the sim market. It has all the features, a great graphics engine, and a cool and comprehensive interface. But for now... it's like vaporware... it's not ready for Beta let alone release.

That enough for ya?

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 4:53:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, a video request for the guys who fly 3D with Reflex XTR:

OK, I love AFPD especially for its 3D training ability. But just like airplanes, a household has room for more than one simulator if there is another quality one out there. I had G2 but gave it away to a family member new to RC. I hear G3 isn't worth looking at as little improvemnet if any in physics over G2.

So, I am requesting a Reflex XTR video of several 3D maneuvers that can be routinely seen on the AFPD videos. We have not much of these on Reflex videos other than a bit on the shocky video. Let's see a stock large scale 3D aerobat do these moves: harriers, upright and inverted, rolling harrier, flat spins upright and inverted, torque roll, elevator, wall.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 6:03:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		How about in G3..have you tried the helicopter update in it? How do they feel in comparison to AFPD and XTR...easier?....harder?..unrealistic?

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 8:23:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tahustvedt

That Katana video look rediculous. Is it set up tp have a 5:1 power ratio or something and insane throws?

I made a video this xmas of me flying around in an Extra 300 in Reflex XTR. It's not crazy 3D flying though. Maybe I'll make a better video this weekend.

Here's the video, right ckick and download:
http://www.enrarot.net/videos/xtr-extra.wmv

Are you talking about mine? If you are it is the stock katana, with nothing done to it. Oh, and the highest power to weight ratio you can have is 3:1.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 8:41:02 PM   
Maudib



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I was going to do just as you asked (with the exception of rolling harriers... I can't do them very well yet).

BUT!!!!!! I can't do hardly any of the items you listed now.... Seems maybe that update screwed up a lot more than the Katana model...

Even my trusty Funtana model I downloaded is much harder than it used to be.... it snaps too easy at low speed and high alpha... much like G3 does....

I know it didn't use to be that way... it was always harder than AFPD, but now it's darn near impossible...

Screeching brakes going on here... I can't be spending all winter like THIS!

Maybe I can re-install the older version... or maybe I ought to keep AFPD and drop XTR? But I like all the great photoreal sceneries....

Quandry surrounded by a riddle, wrapped in an enigma...






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ORIGINAL: aviti

OK, a video request for the guys who fly 3D with Reflex XTR:

OK, I love AFPD especially for its 3D training ability. But just like airplanes, a household has room for more than one simulator if there is another quality one out there. I had G2 but gave it away to a family member new to RC. I hear G3 isn't worth looking at as little improvemnet if any in physics over G2.

So, I am requesting a Reflex XTR video of several 3D maneuvers that can be routinely seen on the AFPD videos. We have not much of these on Reflex videos other than a bit on the shocky video. Let's see a stock large scale 3D aerobat do these moves: harriers, upright and inverted, rolling harrier, flat spins upright and inverted, torque roll, elevator, wall.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 10:03:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maudib, thanks for your info on this subject, and of course all others who have posted.

My home field is a paved runway - and though the grass looks really cool in the Reflex XTR demo, does Reflex XTR include a flying field witha "hard surface" runway?? I do a lot of warbird and jet flying and I'd love to do that in XTR if I bought it (in addition to the heli and 3D stuff at the grass fields).

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 10:07:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		[image]But I like all the great photoreal sceneries.... [/image]

If you ask real nicely maybe I can send you some screeny previews of the new fields on the way.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 10:48:13 PM   
aviti


 

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Status: offline 		Maudib - I too had little success learning rolling harriers....that is until I got AFP. See, G2 just wouldnt do harriers much less the rolling variety. And at the field I tried them with my profiles, but you couldnt get in nearly as much practice as you had to keep regaining altitude for safety margin (whereas on AFP you could just keep trying til you crashed). After beating my head for months trying the rollers, I finally got AFP. After watching the video lesson on Flying Cirkus and about 2 hours on AFP, I could do rolling harriers but they were always turning to the left. At the flying field they turned even sharper to the left but I was at least getting going. A few more hours practice and guess what? I could do them straight, left, and right. And when I took the profile back to the field, I could do them straight now.

Are some of the OMP profiles like the big Edge on AFPD floaty? Yes, but the actrual model is just as floaty...the wing loading on these are incredibly light. The guys at my flying field have the 80" Edges and they look like they are filled with helium in real life. That's the idea with these profiles. Now I agree that the Yak 55 Composite ARF seems super easy on AFPD, but the guys that have them swear they are nearly that easy. I doubt I will ever know as $8000 is a bit rich for my blood. As with all the planes on there, once they become too easy, you can speed up the sim, kick in some wind and turbulance.....

AFP and Deluxe are incredible 3D trainers. And if you practice with them and get out to the field to fly, you will advance in 3D much faster than someone without it!

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 11:01:30 PM   
Maudib



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Status: offline 		That's some good input.

I've always contended that the thwo programs were close in physics, but with this recent patch I don't know what's happened...

And I have to admit, the support from Reflex, as in getting an e-mail response, has been non-existent.

I know I seem to be flip flopping but that is exactly how close these programs are to me... each offering something the other doesn't.

And now... I'd rather fly a slightly easy-to-fly sim that I working fairly well than one that is "3D Broke" and I don't know when it will be addressed.


I'm going to be spending some time in the hospital in the not too far future and am wanting a sim to run on a laptop... I don't want a frustrating one... so I guess I'm going to with AFPD.

I sure wish I could jam the two together and have the best of both worlds...

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 11:39:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eddie P......There is a hard runway in XTR..it's in the one non-photorealistic setting however...which still looks as good (if not better) than G2's graphics.

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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 11:42:31 PM   
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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/7/2005 11:50:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have the G-3. Got to admit the airplane physics leave me a bit cold, But the heli's are much much better than G-2. About as realistic as I have flown so far.
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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... my ... - 1/7/2005 11:54:33 PM   
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RE: A final comparison: G3, AFPD and Reflex XTR... m... - 1/8/2005 12:02:28 AM