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B.T.D.T. -> Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/10/2005 12:57:16 AM)

Hi all,

I am thinking of getting back into this hobby. I am planning on buying the EVO50 with the O.S.50. Futaba 401 Gryo w/9254.

What type of blades you recommend for general flying. Need to relearn how to fly again. It's been at less 12 years from my last flight.

What other accessories or upgrades do you recommend and any advise you have.

Thanks in advance.



Steve Campbell -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/10/2005 2:15:31 AM)

You want 600mm blades. There are numerous ones available, both fiberglass and carbon fiber. Suggest fiberglass; they're cheaper, and you're having to learn all over again.

The Evo is probably the best bet in a plastic helicopter these days. It is higher quality than the ever-popular Raptor, both in parts and flying. Die-hard Raptorites will no doubt disagree, but I've seen and flown both, before making a decision on what to buy, and I chose the Evo. Hirobo really got it right with this one; the fit and overall quality of the parts is very apparent. The push-pull linkages are VERY tedious to build and set up. Follow the manual EXACTLY; your reward will be one incredibly smooth-flying helicopter, especially if you use digital servos.

The kit comes with a muffler, but it is the only sub-standard item in an otherwise excellent kit. You can use it, and it will work; noisily. The flip-floppers will advise you to get a muscle pipe or some other high-speed exhaust. If you want REAL cool, get a Hatori 60 muffler. You will have to be creative making it fit on the smaller manifold of the 50SX, but it is smooth and quiet, and really lets the smaller engine breathe. I have a .46 FX-H in mine, with Shadel piston/liner, and the Hatori SB-1. You'll want the two-piece Hatori, because the one-piece Hatoris do not have the slotted manifold and therefore are much more difficult to fit onto the smaller engine.



B.T.D.T. -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/10/2005 3:11:50 AM)

I just checked Hirobo web site and found two models of the EVO50.

http://model2.hirobo.co.jp/english/
(under new products)

H.P.M. with 90 degree EX Swash Plates
Carbon semi-symmetrical main blades L=600

S.W.M. with 120 degree EX Swash Plates (10mm)
FRP symmetrical main blades L=600

I read on a different site that the 90 you can use either mechanical or electronic mixing and the 120 is for electronic only.

What the advantage or disadvantage and recommendations?


Thanks again.



Carolina Raptor -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/10/2005 3:36:58 AM)

I too have flown both the raptor and evo, the evo is a much better deal if you know how to fly a little already.

Thing is is seems most LHS have raptor parts, so they are easier to get.. but the Hirobo quality is much better and support from Mr Green at runryder is unmatched.



Steve Campbell -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/10/2005 3:18:37 PM)

IMO, too much is being made of this CCPM business. Regular mechanical mixing works just fine, IF you take the time to properly set-up and adjust your machine. Personally, I think a lot of folks see CCPM as a short-cut. Wrong; it requires as much attention to detail as mechanical mixing.



B.T.D.T. -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/10/2005 3:25:21 PM)

Thanks for your comments.



ChopperMike -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/15/2005 2:00:54 AM)

You'll love the Evo 50. Mine was the first 50 size machine I had flown and I couldn't believe how solid it was. The push-pull control is so precise, no slop at all. Excellent quality kit.


Mike



ChopperMike -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/22/2005 12:22:15 AM)

quote:

The kit comes with a muffler,


Unless they changed it since I bought mine in July of last year, the Evo 50 does not come with a muffler. I believe the Evo 30 does however. I'm using an inexpensive chrome TT muffler on mine, works very well.

quote:

The push-pull linkages are VERY tedious to build and set up. Follow the manual EXACTLY


I also have to say I don't agree here either except for the part about following the manual. All you do is make two of every link and install twice as many balls on the horns. I had read about the difficult linkage setup prior to buying my Evo and was pleased to find out that it wasn't nearly as bad as some has said.


Mike



TMooreATX -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/22/2005 4:33:58 AM)

The EVO is a mini Freya. With inexpensive blades like TT600's and an OS 50 Hyper you can hammer the beejeezus out of it upstairs and it will come down and hover like none other. The Raptor pales by comparison. I have two Raptor 50's and an EVO 50 and the flight characteristics of the EVO are superb. The Raps fly good but the EVO is the winner out of the box. The auto capabilities of the EVO are exemplary. My EVO autos as well as my Freya and X-Spec.

It's a great machine.

TM



ChopperMike -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/22/2005 10:22:23 AM)

I just love mine. It was my first 50 size machine, having flown several 30's over the years. It's set up with TT600 blades, an OS 50 SX-H and a cheap TT chrome muffler. I had heard that 50 size heli's fly nearly as good as a 60. I was a believer after the first day. The first time I went out to start practicing auto's with it I ended up doing 25 or 30. It almost lands itself.

It's a very solid flying machine, much of the credit going to the push-pull linkage. It does exactly what you tell it. The kit quality is incredible. I love building helicopters so the fact that it's not an ARF wasn't a drawback for me. It went together very well, parts fit is excellent. I would recommend it to anyone wanting to get into helicopters or move up from a 30.


Mike



Steve Campbell -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/23/2005 4:29:27 PM)

My Evo 50 kit was purchased in May of 2004. It came with the muffler pictured below. Dunno what happened to yours...



Steve Campbell -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/23/2005 4:31:28 PM)

Here's another view. I don't believe there's any doubt as to whose product this is, eh?[:D]



ChopperMike -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/23/2005 4:43:04 PM)

According to Hirobo's site, the Evo 50 does not come with a muffler or blades. I believe they did at one time and apparently when you bought yours they still did, but not any more. The 30 I believe does come with a muffler and wood blades.


Mike



Steve Campbell -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/23/2005 4:48:28 PM)

<<I believe they did at one time...>>

They did indeed. Two friends who bought kits prior to me got this POS el cheapo as well. I guess they realized few folks were using it, and stopped including it to improve their bottom line.



ChopperMike -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/23/2005 4:58:14 PM)

Just in case anybody thinks I'm dreaming, this is an excerpt of what's on their site:

With all the features mentioned plus more, MRC/Altech's commitment to customer service and satisfaction, and new way lower prices, the Sceadu Evolution series from Hirobo is the next big thing in RC Helicopters that will leave others wondering "what just happened."

Sceadu EVOLUTION 30 size with 550mm wood blades and muffler # 0412934
Sceadu EVOLUTION 50 size with DTDS, no blades, no muffler # 0403930.

Available now!

This is the exact same nodel number I have.


Mike



ChopperMike -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/23/2005 11:45:48 PM)

I just remembered something as I was going over my Evo 50. My kit came with, in addition to the stock plastic blades, a set of MAH CF tail blades. I don't know if they still include these or if this was a special deal.


Mike



wolf123 -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/25/2005 4:15:08 PM)

Hi
Only in US the Evo came without muffler and blade.
All over the world if you bought 0403-929 you have an Evo50, Os 50sx-h Evo, Hirobo muffler and Hirobo 600mm fiberglass blade.
Regards Mirco



wolf123 -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/25/2005 4:26:46 PM)

some pics



Flyfalcons -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (1/27/2005 12:07:53 AM)

Well after two and a half days of work, my EVO is ready for flight. I got a combo deal from Zoom's with TT blades and an OS Hyper engine for $570, which is a great deal in my opinion. I have it set up with Futaba 9252s, a GY-401/9254, Mr Carbon tail fins, Mavrikk SuperGear, Revolution muffler, and metal radius block and slide block. Did the decals with some vinyl leftover from my Extra. The included MAH tail blades is a nice touch!Sorry the picture isn't that great, it was taken with my video camera indoors, but hopefully soon I can get a decent digital still camera and get some flying pics.



B.T.D.T. -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (2/18/2005 11:45:50 PM)

finally ordered my new Heli. I got the Evo with the OS 50 Hyper and a Hatori SAB-5SR muffler and the Fut 401 w/9254. Now I only got to find the time to build it and to get stick time. Thanks to all that gave advise on this forums.

May get the JR 9303. Need to hold it in my hands first between Fut 9CHPS & JR 9303.

For the JR do I need the 8311 or can I use 811 and for the Fut 9252 or what?

Is it worth to get the Fut 9CHPS Synth and then all separate servos. Servos alone will cost more than the kit. Any comments.



Steve Campbell -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (2/19/2005 3:01:34 PM)

There is a definite difference in the way digitals "feel". IOW, better than analogs.

However, you're talking about a plastic helicopter here. I have a nice X-Cell 60 with all digitals, but I only put a digital on collective on my Evo. A 9252 on collective will make a new machine out of any helicopter without one, and I believe putting a good digital on collective is one of the smartest things one can do to improve his ship. All that colored-anodized eye candy aluminum stuff is nice, but...

Having said that, I really don't see the need for digitals anywhere else on a plastic ship; except for the tail rotor if you intend to fly 3D. This is my personal opinion, and there are those who would disagree- and make convincing arguments why the Evo could use digitals all around. Many of these arguments are sound and based on good logic. I suppose I simply cannot fathom spending more, as you pointed out, on the servos than I did on the kit... but I've done just that on some of my planks. Go figure... [;)]

If you do decide to go "all digital", I would cough up the bucks for three 9252s (collective and cyclics), plus whatever digital goes with your chosen gyro. The 3151 would make an excellent throttle servo. But DO NOT use these for flight controls. They are Futaba's new 'plain vanilla' digital sport servo. They are as of yet unproven, and we're already hearing of slop developing very quickly. This should not be an issue on a throttle installation.

Futaba also has a new, higher-spec digital sport servo out that I may try on a new aerobatic plank I just picked up. But I would only put the best on a helicopter, due to the harsher operating environment.

Sorry, can't tell you about current JR stuff. I flew JR for many years, but back when digital servo were relatively new; and JR digitals were known as an effective anti-aircraft weapon for helicopters...[:D]

Those days are gone. With the exception of a couple of their early digital servos, JR stuff has always been fully the equal of Futaba; and still is today, I imagine.



B.T.D.T. -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (3/18/2005 2:14:53 AM)

I finally bit the bullet and ordered the 9CHPS w9252's. It'll be here next week. Now I got to start building my Heli. What batteries are you guys using? SubC Ni-Cads & what size you recommend? 2400mah or 3300mah. On building these packs flat pack or hump the last cell for weight balance?
Thanks



Jyrki -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (3/18/2005 12:23:02 PM)

I have Evo 50 with 5 digital servos, GY-502 gyro, GV-1 governor. Battery is flat 4.8V 2100mAh which just and just fits in to the case with a thin foam around.

This is my first heli and I'm quite surprised about the power consumption referred to .40 class planks with crab servos. I thought the battery would last all the day with such a capasity but no no, far away from it. So add a good field charger to your shopping list!

Well... a fuel gallon disappears to sky quickly as well.

Jyrki



Steve Campbell -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (3/18/2005 3:03:09 PM)

Jyrki,

The battery consumption issue is simple; helicopter servos are moving constantly; ALL of them, all of the time. Plank servos don't, due to the inherent stability of airplanes. Of course, all these guys who like to fly their planes like helicopters may have a battery draw problem...

I have a 2400 mAh sub-C nicad pack in my X-Cell with five digital servos. After four flights, its time to re-charge. I have a 60-size Ultimate biplane with four digital and one analog servos and a 1600 mAh ni-cad pack that I fly more aggressively than I do the helo. I've flown it six times in an afternoon and still had plenty of battery left.

BTDT,

A four cell sub-C pack will JUST fit in the Evo's battery compartment. I used one since I had it available, but a typical AA flat pack of the flavor of your choice would be a better idea, IMO. Definitely NiMH, at least. An AA ni-cad pack just isn't going the have the grunt to keep those digitals going for long. A 2700 NiMH AE (enhanced AA cells; just a smidgen larger than AA) pack would be ideal, I think.



B.T.D.T. -> RE: Comments on SceaduEVO50 (3/18/2005 5:46:54 PM)

Steve,

I have read on these forums that digital servos and NiMH didn't work well due to the low current output on the battery. Unless you have a high cap battery like GP3300. If a sub-C fits why don't you recommend it. Is it that tight? I have never hear of the AE pack so I guess I'll look into that also.
Thanks



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