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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 7:54:55 PM   
Matt Kirsch



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Status: online 		There is a MAJOR difference between the facilities necessary for cars and the facilities necessary for airplanes. Anyone too ignorant to realize that, or appreciate the amount of work that goes into a flying site, deserves no sympathy.

You'll find that the real world has little patience for those who complain that the grass isn't mowed, but refuses to spend any time at the controls of the mower...

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 8:05:50 PM   
yard-dart



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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 9:41:52 PM   
J_R


 

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Status: offline 		Maybe you guys that know best SHOULD decide who may be in the hobby. The President of the AMA has taken the same attitude and is right there with you.

Oh well...

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the pol... - 1/11/2005 9:42:06 PM   
Live Wire


 

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Status: offline 		IT is great to just set back , read and laugh at what is taking place here. I have posted many time on this same topic and every one states that we cause our own problems. Looks like all clubs are the same. You can volunteer for some thing and if the few don't wan't you involved forget it. One thing I have found out lately is some people want all the glory no matter what the cost. Just don't step on other peoples toes or try to be on their level because they are always higher and better than you .
And if it were not for the OLD farts where would your flying and field be today.

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 9:51:06 PM   
Roby


 

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Status: offline 		OK , what do we have here so far ?

1. I guess that we'd all like to just fly.
2. some of us work a ton of hours
3. a few of us do way more than what's really expected.
4. all of us are fed up with the BS, (in whatever form it shows up as)
that is associated with the hobby.

OK fine

Lets now hear from all the BS generators that this thread was started about.
Who are you and why are you being so difficult . Why are you giving the
rest of us a hard time ? It's time to stand up and defend yourself and your
actions.

Roby

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 10:25:17 PM   
yard-dart



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ORIGINAL: J_R

Maybe you guys that know best SHOULD decide who may be in the hobby. The President of the AMA has taken the same attitude and is right there with you.

Oh well...


With due respect, just what is that supposed to mean? I simply think that there is more to this hobby than just showing up at the field and flying. I feel that if a club doesn't have the revenue to spend on site upkeep, it takes the club "as a whole" to do the work. I know that the "he never helps the club out" situation has pretty much been going on since the hobby, and R/C clubs, were invented. But, each member of every club should have enough respect for the club and the other members to do their fair share to help out. One thing that gets my blood boiling is a lazy ass. People will actually set back and watch others do all the work, and never even attempt to lift a finger to help out.

People can say what they want, and judge me for what I say. That's fine, because in all reality, I'm judging the lazy asses. One thing's for sure. The local club I belong to no longer contains any of those types. We've pretty much weeded them out.

So, to finish up, I'm not saying who should or shouldn't be in this hobby. I am saying that if people want to just "show up and fly", they'd better not come to our club. People like that, IMHO, don't last too long anywhere.

< Message edited by yard-dart -- 1/11/2005 10:38:39 PM >

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 10:25:22 PM   
50+AirYears


 

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Status: offline 		RCoutlaw, as a recent inductee to the society of old farts, I like your last question. In my club's case, we probably wouldn't even have a field. When the owner of our previous field notified us that the property had been sold to a developer, it was a couple old farts who went out, made some contacts, found us a new field, started the work to make it flyable, and had it useable at the start of the next flying season. About half the younger generation responded to the notice of termination by looking for another club.
The main reason so many people prefer to go with Political Correctness is it saves them the trouble and effort of thinking for themselves.

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the po... - 1/11/2005 10:30:04 PM   
ifixairplanes


 

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Status: offline 		There was also a general unwritten rule that if you are the only one flying, the field and sky is yours. This was held amongst the members. I stated I was the only one flying. The person that complained did so to be be an a-hole and knew his buddies would follow suit and agree everything he said was true. It even stated in the grievance that there was another pilot flying at the time, and I almost hit him, which is a lie and has been proven by other witnesses. But because a grievance is an official document, it goes on record, with the lie on it. I am out and done with clubs. Keeping it to small group of friends is just fine with me.
BTW: I did give some of my free time to the club, I was an instructor.

Roby: I would rather not mention the name of the club in public forum.

Sean

quote:

ORIGINAL: J_R

Hi Sean

You may want to reflect on what you have posted. You know, from past exchanges, I think your a pretty good kid, so I am not just ragging on you.

Here is what I read that you posted, put into a different order.
************
My club has a rule against passes down the runway.
I am complete control of my plane.
I made a pass down the runway
I intentionally broke the rule
Some older club members took offense and filed a grievance.
Now I am upset at clubs and older club members in particular.
*************


< Message edited by ifixairplanes -- 1/11/2005 10:47:39 PM >

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 10:33:07 PM   
Jim Branaum


 

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Status: offline 		This thread is beginning to give me a bad attitude.

As an old friend says when the BS flows, *I* can land on the runway so *I* don't need the grass mowed. Besides, if it gets tall it provides a cushion for falling airframes. "THEY" want it mowed, THEY can mow it! Not selecting who is in the hobby just taking the same approach as 'them'.

The folks who are unable or unwilling to help make the field/club work really don't have a right to gripe about the actions and choices the rest of us take to preserve our ability/right to fly. THAT is the issue.

As for those who get their noses bent out of joint when invited to participate, go find, maintain, and fly at your own site and leave the rest of us alone.

Sean, while you may be right you are leaving the field of battle to 'them'. That normally means you loose. Go back and make sure you have friends there and take some legal action about the 'complaint'. I am sure you know what I mean.

< Message edited by Jim Branaum -- 1/11/2005 10:36:37 PM >

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 10:47:33 PM   
50+AirYears


 

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I've run into people didn't get it. Until they had it pointed out that when pointing a finger, the index finger is held straight out and the other three are bent back along the palm pointing at the owner of the accusing finger.

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 11:03:03 PM   
ifixairplanes


 

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Status: offline 		Jim, Yes I am leaving the club scene due to "them". I do not see it as I am loosing in any way. The club president knows about the double standard between the field "old timers" and new comers to the property. But does nothing to change it because it would cause too much of an uproar within this cliche of members. Since this group of members contained a few officers and a field marshal, nothing can be done because they say there isnt a double standard. These guys made some total BS claims, watched me like a hawk everytime I flew, and generally made it not fun for me to go there and fly.

The friends I did make there were amazingly good people and I won't forget them. Hopefully I will run into them in my RC modeling future. I know its not all the clubs that are like this, but this one has made me not want to be in a club.

Sean

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 11:15:40 PM   
Jim Branaum


 

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the p... - 1/11/2005 11:29:33 PM   
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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the ... - 1/11/2005 11:38:10 PM   
pkrska



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Status: offline 		I am Canadian. And I notice most of you are in the U.S. But, that doesn't mean we do not have the same problems here!!! Infact, I fly on my own in large public parks, usually that are not populated much. We have a great new one, that was built from an old army base and it is now a public park, that nobody seems to go to except when there are special events like fireworks and Canada Day celebration.

My story stems from when I first got into this hobby, I had a $500 gas plane complete with radio and was looking for a club. It happened to be winter, so I went to see a club that had free, and I mean free meetings at a local school. Meetings were free, but if you join the club, it offered you lessons and a field to fly at. I didn't think that paying $90 a year for a flight once in a while was worth it. After all, this company was stating that they had $10,000 in the bank. I couln't believe it. Their field did not have a runway. No plans on making one. They did not have a very good field to begin with - it was near major roads and powerlines etc. I asked if I could create their website for them (they did not have one) in exchange for a membership. Well, they did not answer me and we giving me the old 'we'll see' attitude. Next I created that website to show them that I was serious. I ended up getting a call from one of their members that claimed to have gotten a sale from the site and that it was such a good idea. I then asked can I get a free membership. Well, summer was approaching and I was told that I would have to pay their fee. In return for such friendlyness, I told them that I would have to remove their website. I got threatened by one of their members that phone me at home and told me that there would be consequences for such an action. I did not take that threat to heart and immediately removed their site. How does one have a club with $10,000 in the bank and are so cheap that they cannot give someone willing to help them financially with a free membership. Corporate greedy SOBees

Never heard from them after that. And later find that the site that I made, they copied the overall theme and created it someplace else on a free website.

After a few months past by, I find a hobby shop that had a Parkzone F28 Stryker for sale that featured it as a buy and fly park flyer. I had to get it. And the last days of summer were here, with only one month or two left. I learned to fly using a computer program CMS simulator. I now learned to fly crashing and epoxying my Stryker back together, but each day that passed, I was learning not to crash. I bought a replacement body and started to fly my F27 Stryker in the newly opened huge park that is in my area. It's so big, that there are many areas to fly from. Each with it's own challenges. (A football field, a huge empty field with roads around it, and an area with scattered trees). Remeber, that it was an army base before, and this is where they played war games. I got so good, that the DaVinci Project boys, that were building their rocket for space in the area, were impressed with my flying and invited me to join their group. Too bad they missed their dead line to go up!!!!

Now that the winter approached and I am no longer able to stand the weather to fly, real cold up here in Toronto Ontario Canada with some serious winds. I am anxiously waiting for summer again so that I can go out and fly again. I now have a couple of other people that I taught to fly and they now have their own Stryker and are happy campers!!! I do not need no insurance, and the law does not require it in Canada. I checked into it. And since I am only flying an electric park flyer made of styrofoam, in a huge empty park, the only damage that has happened is to my plane.

I hope would love to make my own club, with the expectations that everyone is there to learn and fly free of any corporate garbage. So, I hope I inspired some of you to change your ways of thinking and just wanted to show that there are alternative to everything.

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RE: Every wish you could just fly and avoid all the ... - 1/11/2005 11:55:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		In reality, the only way to aoid politics is to avoid any congregation of two or more people. That's part of the fun of being a human being.

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