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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/11/2009 11:46 PM   
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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/12/2009 8:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Jimeni ... the vibration is not the engine problem but the way the Extra has been built, its meant to be light so that it can accommodate EP. The reinforcement is not much, just some CA and some balsa tri stock, if you feel like you wanna go the extra mile then some 1/2 oz glass will do the job after you trickle CA.

Tim ... the YS62 is lovely, I heard some crazy guy in Singapore put in a YS110, I have not seen it but I heard some a pal who saw it. I think that would be nuts, imagine a 16x6 prop on that plane. Crazy man!

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/13/2009 5:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used 30 minute epoxy and tri-stock. She wont come apart, except in pieces. The Funtana X100 was built very light also, had to do the same reinforcements to it.

Did you guys measure CG upright or inverted?

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/13/2009 5:30 AM   
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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/16/2009 8:27 AM   
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Fouund a good price on a saito 100 it's on its way!

On the servos, I was wondering if you guys thought any of these would be ok. I have an airtronics 94357. It's the same as in these pictures
http://www.rctech.net/forum/r-c-items-sale-trade/41195-airtronics-94357-servo.html

Then I have a Futaba s3003
http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXH288

and I have 2 of these from hobby king
http://www.hobbycity.com/hobbycity/store/uh_viewItem.asp?idProduct=2

I have a friend helping me that was recommending hitecs 475, based on me wanting to save some cash. He was originally suggesting the 225's for the twin elevators.

Just wondering if anyone is familiar enough with these servos to give a recommendation one way or another
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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/16/2009 6:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		I havent used these servos, but looking at the specs. The airtronics should be a great servo, its weight is nice, would be awesome on the rudder.

The Futaba's are too slow for 3D application, but would work on ailerons.

The hobby city servos are very nice, have some myself, but for a much larger plane, big overkill on weight and torque for this plane, but of course will work.

Just my opinion, and I am a 3D fan always looking at weight. Adds up quick as I'm sure you know.

Planes this size scream for DS821's. Good weight, great speed, good torque, very durable, very good centering, and very well priced. I think hobby city has equivelent servos much cheaper, but havent used them. I mainly use their HXT's in foamies, and electrics.



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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/25/2009 10:27 AM   
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I'm getting mine all put together and am getting there, but I'm having a few issues.

1) the Black Nylon Cleavises that came for the rudder control horns, DON'T fit the threads of the wire housing. I can use one of the metal cleavises they have, but that doesn't secure firmly on the horn, since they have that bearing in it, making it far too think for it to snap closed

2) How do set up this pushrod elevator system?? I have the holes cut out pretty well, but I can't get it to line up to where it push smoothly through. I think I may have cut the wires too short, but if so, then they had the wood dowel WAY too long. With my wires being so short, the angle is sharper so it is butting up against the opening more.

3) I've noticed on some of your planes, (in the photos) that you have set up the black control horns they give you, WITHOUT the cap on the top of the wing, and/or elevator. Did you just use screws instead of bolts and go into the wood? Is this secure enough?

4) I have the saito 100, and I see you all pretty much put it upside down. I guess this is the best way to mount it? Any tricks you have to do when doing so?

Thanks for your help
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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/25/2009 2:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you are doing the stock elevators (I have them on my current one) you tie your wire rods in to the wooden rod and cut holes in the tail of the plane where they need to exit and tie them in. I have another Extra NIB and the next will have 2 225s in the tail for elevators. (Just like the short control rods and control of the plane with that set up. I have a Saito 1.00 inverted with a turbo header http://www.rcuniverse.com/market/item.cfm?itemId=465588 on it. This keeps the muffler in tight and allows it to fit nicely inside the cowl. I also ran a remote glow back into the fuse so I could start the plane without having to try to hook the glow plug igniter underneath each flight. If I were to build another one right now and save money I would look for some good used 225s for the elevators, and throttle and a decent servo for the rudder and run it all on 6 vt. I used the servos that came with my DX-7 for all but rudder which has a 5945 on it if I remember right. It is my 4th plane but flies so well I bought the second from a friend that he started so I would have a back up.
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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/26/2009 6:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Jeff

Can you send me pics of how's yours is set up? I can't get mine to reach at an angle that works.

Do they work ok in practice? Strengthwise?

Was the wood rod they gave you too long out of the box?

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/26/2009 7:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, I got it going now. I cut them too far up the first time! Guess I'll have to patch that... bummer.

How did you all secure the hatch and canopy? Just screws?

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 1/31/2009 11:19 PM   
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How do I get this hatch to stay in place? Did you guys use magnets? Some other method??

Thanks!
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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/1/2009 12:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yep, magnets will do it.
Makes sure though that they are the Rare Earth Neodymium type - Very strong !!!!

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/1/2009 12:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, I'll get some of those then.

What about the engine, any last tips for getting that on right. I have a saito 100. I was going to go inverted since it looks nicer, but it sounds like more of a pain in the ass, getting to the needle and glow plug etc

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/1/2009 8:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok guys,

I'm working on mounting the saito 100 inverted. I filed down the mounting bracket as mentioned in another post, becuase the engine bottoms out on one spot. I had to file it down this far (see photos) to get it to seat properly. Is this going to be ok to the integrity of the mount?

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/1/2009 6:09 PM   
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I think all the Saito 100 users had to make a small mod to the engine mount.
I think your mount will be OK, but whatever you do, don’t take any more material away as to my mind I think it’s a little weak for the 100 anyway. I had a heavy landing some time ago due to a dead stick and it snapped both beams of the mount clean in half. So it’s not the back plates that are week.
Where are you positioning the cowl?
If you mount it up to but not over the fuselage first former this will leave you more space to mount the engine a little further forward. I know some people put the cowl right up to the hatch and then had to mount the engine father back to get a nice small gap between spinner and cowl.


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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/1/2009 6:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		It will be fine. For peace of mind, you can throw a little epoxy on it when you fuel proof and reinforce your firewall. If you have already done that, just add a coat, but dont fill in the bolt head

As far as the needle valves, take a piece of an old threaded rod, put it in your high needle valve and secure with set screw. Make it long enough to extend past cowl, and put a 90 degree bend. Cut a piece of fuel tubing to fit between needle valve and bend so it wont vibrate into your cowl. Also make a hole big enough for a long small flat tip screw driver, and reaching the low needle is a snap looking through front of cowl.

If you dont already have a remote glow driver, I recommend the one from hangar 9. Its the easiest to install, and looks the best. You dont have the glow plug sticking out of the side of your plane. Its like a headphone jack. It comes with everything you need, and its one of the lowest priced. http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=HAN3025

I will be adding the holes for the needle valves today, maybe tomorrow. I'll post pics if you want.



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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/1/2009 7:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, sounds good.

Thanks for the advice on the extension. Do you cut that wire down to just fit in your cowl? Looks like it's pretty long


Falcon, yes, I ended up putting it right up to the hatch. Not covering of course. Don't you have to put it here to have something to screw into?
Short of building up all around the fuse

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/1/2009 8:42 PM   
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I used hard wood blocks epoxied to the former.
One top and bottom and two on each side and screw the cowl to those.
Use hex head servo screws and a rubber grommet under the screw so as not to damage the cowl. This will also help prevent them working loose.

Hope that helps.

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/2/2009 1:18 AM   
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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/4/2009 8:52 AM   
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I'm having an issue and wanted to see what you guys think

I have the mount measured out to where the cowl and spinner are going to fit together really nice. About 1/8th space. The problem I'm having is that when I put the cowl on now, the cowl is rubbing on the top left side (as you face the plane). I think it is becuase when I drilled the mounts, I wasn't able to drill them completely even, all the way through, so they turn to one side on the bottom (or top as they are mounted on the plane)... SEE PHOTO.

Also, I see that a lot of you were able to exhaust on the bottom center. The way my saito 100 lines up I am going to have to send it out the side (see photo again). Is there a way to send it out the bottom or should I just let it go out the side.

Any recommendations on how to drill the mounts more evenly? Can I buy some new mounts to start with now (that I've mis drilled these)?

OH< and lastly, I went with a dubro tank. As you can see it doesn't fit well either (the stock tank didn't fit worth a damn either). Any suggestions on how to secure it in there (see photo again!


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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/4/2009 9:54 PM   
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You could try to elongate the holes in the mount a little and bring the engine forward enough to clear the cowl. Other than that it’s a new engine mount
I used a slim line inverted Pitts type muffler, it’s a bit heavier than the original Saito one but looks much better and sounds great.
As far as the tank is concerned, I built a shelf as far back as I could over the throttle servo and used a Dubro 12 oz.
It does make it a pain to put in the wing bolts but they’re a fiddle anyway.



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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/5/2009 5:35 AM   
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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/5/2009 8:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Jemini

Looks great! Let me know how she flies!

I have a Question for all of you on this forum!!!!.... SINCE, this plane seems to be a bad ass flyer for it's class/size, AND it is no longer available, if I end up flying mine and loving it when I'm done, but crash it etc.. are there any other planes in it's size OR smaller that are nitro powered that will fly like it?

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/5/2009 4:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tim ... I suspect it would be the Sebart Sukhoi 50 ... I have the Sebart Angel 50 and she flies so so sweet. BUT ... its EP! Hehehehehe ... come over to the Dark Side ... if not you can buy my spare Extra, I got 2 in the hobby room. Hehehehee ...

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RE: Fliton Extra 330 Freestyle Who's Got One? - 2/5/2009 6:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey Tianci,

I don't see the Sebart available for sale either? I guess it's hard to come across a really good flying medium plane, huh?

anyone else have suggestions
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