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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 11/24/2002 3:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Has anyone called and questioned Wendell or Stans about the problems you seem to be having with the front end design of this bird?
Do I understand you correctly, that if you cut the first 2" off of the fuse and reposition the firewall at the new distance that the Stans cowl then becomes correct?
And Lee... if you decide to do a scratch cowl, will it be designed for the existing fuse length or the 2" trimmed version.
I'm starting to wonder why I paid Stans somewhere around $150 bucks for a poorly designed and layed up cowl... AND gear that needs 2" cut out of the center to fit.
I'm tryin to stay calm...
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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 11/24/2002 5:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ron, no I haven't called Stan or Wendell about the problem because I think they are happy with the design. I don't think Wendell represents this design as being 100% scale, and Stan has indicated that the plug for the cowl was supplied to him by Wendell. I'm not going to bother Wendell with this as I don't think he has misrepresented the plans and he has been very good to me. If the cowl was Stan's design I would take him to task on it but he says it's not and my only complaint with him other than design is quality. That concern I will make clear by not buying his products. I'm a pretty handy guy, but I feel sorry for anyone not so handy that have bought his cowl, gear and pants.

Yes if you reposition the FW you will be able to use the Stan's cowl and maintain scale length. Will it be 100% scale top gun style? No probably not but it will work and scale length will be maintained. Without any mods the A/C is two inches too long and looks like a big geeky Russian thing.

The cowl that I am working on assumes the builder has built to plan fuse length. I wouldn't go so far as to say it will fit everyones "built to plans" SD because I have made mods to the fuse and sheeting as indicated on this thread. If a person builds their SD as I did, the cowl will fit like a glove.

All that being said, I really like this A/C. It turns me on and will be a big time head turner.
I will post pics of the new cowl soon.

Lee

Ps. Hey Ron don't be too upset, I paid the same and my Canadian money isn't worth S**t. Not to mention that the cowl redesign will end up costing me hundreds.
Hopefully I can save some others some aggravation.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 11/24/2002 5:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just another thought,

After going downstairs and pondering the tasks ahead, it still strikes me that this is a great airplane and a scratch built project after all. I think that the end result will be more than worth the extra effort needed. We will all just need to dig a little deeper into our bag of skills.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 11/26/2002 6:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I noticed the cowl looked kind of " geeky" also Lee in the photos especially the one in Wendel's catalog..thats just the way he designs his airplanes.They are not 100% scale.
Keep up the good work guys,your making it a lot easier for us guys not started yet...SteveD

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/2/2002 1:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a photo of the door latch. I still need to put the plate on the latch but I wanted you to see it before I covered it up.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/2/2002 1:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Latch with cover. 1/8" sheeting will go around the cover.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/2/2002 1:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		The long part of the hinges was made from a piece of rectangular 3/8" brass tubing. The verticals were made from 1/16" brass and glued in. On the end on the long brass is a piece of tubing which matches 4-40 steel push rod. It is soldered on with Stay Bright silver solder (low temp type).

The purpose of this odd hinge was to allow the door to be jettisoned in the event of an emergency.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/2/2002 4:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lookin great Ken! Very scale. Thanks for the photos Bud, I think they helped out on the door hinge detail.

Earth to Jeff. Where are you? Take some time off work man.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/2/2002 9:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ken.......The hinge and latch are works of art. Mine is not spring loaded. But on the hull of the door frame, I added an a brass striker plate (like the one in your house) on the inside frame to prevent the balsa from being ripped out or vibrating the hole bigger and it works fine. You have possibly figured this out. Just thought I would mention it, I know this is not in the plans.

I just added a landing light, made from a 99 cent store flash light (I cut it off to shorten it and removed the battery compartment) and it is the right scale. It runs on AA batteries with a Radio Shake battery holder and located it just behind the cowling. It is connected to channel 5 and works jest fine.

What would be a good inexpensive 5" spinner for my Citabria? Plastic is OK. I was thinking of some kind of plastic bowl and make one. Any ideas? They are always very expensive. I will no be using a electric starter on the spinner. It starts fine with a hand prop start.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/3/2002 12:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		amack, you can get a 5" Zinger aluminum spinner from http://www.omnimodels.com/ for $32.99. I really don't trust running a 5" plastic spinner on larger engines. Before I would cobble one up out of a plastic bowl, I would run without one. Don't forget SAFETY.

The landing light will come in handy for night flying.

Ken

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/3/2002 1:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ken....Thanks for the web site, I did not know this one and that is not a bad price. I have a 3" that I have been using and it look horrible on this plane.

Thanks
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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/10/2002 3:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have been pretty busy working on the fuselage so I haven't had time to post anything. Anyway I needed to revive this thread with a few new photos. The first shows the construction of the landing gear cover. The two brass tubes are guides for the 4/40 attaching screws. There is a steel washer at the bottom of the tube for the screw to tighten against.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/10/2002 3:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a photo of the gear in place with the sheeting around it.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/10/2002 3:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		One last photo for now with the cover in place. When I put on what ever covering I choose to use, I'll cover over the guide holes and the slot between the gear cover and the rear sheeting. Should I ever need to service the gear, it will be a simple matter to cut the slot with a razor blade and put a small hole in the guide tubes.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/10/2002 3:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ken........I could not help but notice that you don't have any holes for your wheel pants on the LG. Are you puting them on?

I like the idea of having access to your LG with cover you made. I just covered mine with Monocote and have to cut it out of I want to check my bolts, what a pain. Photos are great......

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/10/2002 9:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mack,

I will be putting the wheel pants on, just haven't gotten to that part yet. Haven't even drilled the holes for the axels. I've been working on the fuse trying to catch up with Lee. He has been busy with other things lately so I'm gaining on him.

How is your project progressing?

Ken

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/10/2002 9:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys, I haven't drilled anything on my gear yet either but I usually make a wheel bearing with an attached pant mount. This is just the way I do it although I don't know if there is an advantage if you have enough gear stock to drill 3 holes. Maybe one advantage is that I usually don't tighten the main bolt down totally dead tight, so that if you land a little out of control, the pants just move with the punches.
The cowl is almost finished but I must admit that it has become a sour point with the whole aircraft for me. I would have completed the entire airframe by now if it were not for Stan's handiwork. I just have to dedicate one day to its completion and then move on.
Hey Mack have you got your bird airborne yet?
Give us the play by play.
Ken, I'm designing the cowl to flow with a tru turn spinner (4") but I haven't received it yet and I'm not sure of the shape until I get it. What type is yours? I think the one on Wendell's website is showing an Ultmate 4" but I'm pretty sure
mine is going to be the standard TT 4".
I prefer the Ultimate myself. What do you think? If everyone is not itching for their cowls I will order an Ultimate TrueTurn and make the cowl to suit. In fact some nice guy could send me a 4" and get the discount off the cowl. Hint, Hint.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/11/2002 11:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here is a pic of the SD. At this point it weighs 6.0 pounds as you see it.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/11/2002 11:19 PM   
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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/12/2002 2:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello modelers.........!
You have to see this site [url]www.emhw.de/index.html[/url]
3.38 meter bellanca and a 1/2 scale pitts
Realy impressive kinds of kitts.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/12/2002 2:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Ketil,

Really great pictured on that web site. The Decathlon is really nice. It's a little larger than the ones that we are building. Ours are only 3.22 meters. Mine will be powered by a 106 cc twin. Some really big models are built in Europe.

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/12/2002 2:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hey guys those birds are distributed in the U.S. by Desert aircraft.
http://www.desertaircraft.com
Have youseen the 50% SD by J&L hobbies?

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/12/2002 3:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hello Ken and Lee.............
That 50% was enormous::::::::
What kind of engines do they have to put in the nose of this-one?

3,22 m is large enough,this is a full acro machine isn't it?

Last year i was at the Airworld factory in germany,they have a moki 215ccm 5cyl radial, each cyl is 43ccm 4t
They told me that moki planed on taking the one cyl of the radial,and make a one syl 43ccm 4t gas engine,
and later make a 2cyl 83ccm 4t gas engine,but right now they used all the cylinders to make the radial.
That should have been an interesting engine fore the 3,22m bellanca? or maybe a little to small engine ?

love to see this 3,22 m on a later stage
Happy building!!!!!

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/12/2002 4:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think I remember the 50% using a 300cc USAF drone engine.
I'm not sure. All the info is on the G&L website. He also sells 50% Pitts kits and 33% Cessna 182 kits. Check out the web site.

Sorry, in my last post I wrote that the 50% Decathlon was from J&L hobbies, but it's actually G&L.

http://www.glhobbies.com/MAIN.htm

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RE: Hostetler 33% Decathlon - 12/12/2002 4:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lee, when are you going to start your 50% Super Decathlon? Looks like they supply a cowl that fits it.

Ketil, you can view the one that we are working on at this site:
http://www.aero-sports.com/whplans/decathlon.html

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