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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 9/14/2006 2:46:44 AM   
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They are doing a lot of work on the taxiways in JFK to support the A380's weight, so they are certainly planning on it flying in and out of there. What will be interesting is if the A380's wake will be so great that separation issues will be a problem in the busy environments that it will fly in.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 9/14/2006 6:01:11 PM   
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When the 747 was designed, Boeing had a very hard time to keep the bird from becoming overweight, and once it was in service, for the first few years it was troubled by engine prblems. But Boeing kept correcting problems and improving and eventually made the 747 into a very reliable airplane. Same thing happened with the first Airbuses, the A300's, and will probably happen again with the A380, as well as the 787.


The early 747s were known for being pigs when it came to climbing to altitude, especially when fully-loaded. They'd have to burn off some fuel before being able to climb to their final cruise altitude. It also made some takeoffs interesting. It's not easy to sit up front and watch the runway dwindle away as you wait for the airplane to accelerate to rotation speed. I've been abord fully-loaded planes where the nose came up, and the main gear just made that "thunk-thunk" as the oleos stretched out, when the end of the runway flashed beneath. All of the calculations said there was room to go, but it's still not always easy to take what the charts say.

The old runway at Rio was one such. On a hot December night with the 707 Intercontinental fully-loaded with a bottom in every seat and fueled for the 9-1/2 hour flight (with reserve), it seemed like we'd use 90% of the runway before rotation. The plane would barely be off the ground before we crossed the perimeter fence, road, and be over Guanabara Bay. Always exciting!



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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 9/14/2006 7:13:21 PM   
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I don't think Airbus is stupid enough to build a plane they could not get to comply with the airworthiness standards.


Actually, I don't know if you have read the wake turbulence notice submitted by FAA. If you can read it, you will see that it does not make sense. And you can ruin an airplane's airworthiness, just by enforcing crazy horizontal separations. And that is not decided on the computer screens during development phase.
Airbus is carrying out tests just to acquire data to justify wake turbulence is not bigger than B747's.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/4/2006 4:48:41 AM   
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First of all, the A380 is not even certified yet, much less in production or in service.




I understand that deliveries of the A380 have been pushed back another year.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/4/2006 4:57:03 AM   
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The old runway at Rio was one such. On a hot December night with the 707 Intercontinental fully-loaded with a bottom in every seat and fueled for the 9-1/2 hour flight (with reserve), it seemed like we'd use 90% of the runway before rotation. The plane would barely be off the ground before we crossed the perimeter fence, road, and be over Guanabara Bay. Always exciting!




I think my most exciting take off was in an old and overloaded CH-34 that was laboriously taxied up a hill, then went roaring back down the hill to gain speed until it hit a short ramp bulldozed into the bottom of the hill and became airborn. Made the landing in a warm LZ seem tame.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/4/2006 2:08:03 PM   
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From the The Register of England:

"Third A380 delay tests airlines' patience
Wiring woes will cost Airbus dear

The patience of airlines waiting to get their hands on the Airbus A380 is beginning to wear thin following an announcement yesterday that just one example of the "Superjumbo" would be delivered in 2007, as opposed to the nine previously promised by Airbus parent company EADS.

The EADS press release states: "According to this revised plan, the first A380 will be delivered in October 2007. Thirteen more will be delivered in 2008 and 25 in 2009. The industrial ramp-up will be completed in 2010, when 45 A380s are going to be delivered."

While previous delays were attributed to "wiring problems", the latest release is a bit more forthcoming:

In June, the amount of work to be done to finalise the installation of the electrical harnesses into the forward and rear section of the fuselage had been underestimated. Beyond the complexity of the cable installation, the root cause of the problem is the fact that the 3D Digital Mock up, which facilitates the design of the electrical harnesses installation, was implemented late and that the people working on it were in their learning curve.

This third delay to the programme, following similar knock-backs in June 2005 and June 2006, will cost EADS an extra €2.8bn euros in profits over the next four years, in addition to the €2bn euros announced in June.

According to the BBC, EADS may also have to stump up compensation for airlines including Emirates, Singapore Airlines, Qantas, and Virgin Atlantic, who have 43, 10, 12 and six A380s on order, respectively.

Emirates will now get its first A380 10 months late, and says it is "now reviewing its options". Qantas won't take delivery of its first example until August 2008. The airline's general manager John Borghetti asked: "How are we going to mount the capacity in the short-term?"

Singapore Airlines said it was "reviewing the situation", while Virgin Atlantic expressed concern that the delay had "serious implications" for its business.

Airbus boss Christian Streiff, however, insisted all the airlines were "still on board", and told the BBC: "Our customers are just working with us, helping us on how to improve the schedule."

Indeed, experts think it's unlikely airlines will cancel orders. Analyst Scott Hamilton explained: "By the time the airlines get through extracting all the penalties and concessions out of Airbus for all the delays, they are going to have the cheapest widebody in the world. They would be crazy to let that deal get away from them."

Accordingly, there are still 159 A380s on order. Sadly, as the Airbus website notes, there are currently 0 aircraft delivered and 0 in operation. ®"


Unbelievable level of incompetence. I've never considered this option before, but I will refuse to fly on an A380 until they've been flying commercially for at LEAST a year.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/4/2006 5:44:19 PM   
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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/4/2006 7:30:27 PM   
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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/5/2006 1:26:27 AM   
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I work in a Flight Test Center of a major aircraft manufacturer, and I think as usual the French are being very arrogant with the start to this thread, but we have all become used to the French being arrogant and almost never backing it up. It's great that they were able to build a couple for Flight Test and get certification. Well the bad news is they are now reporting that initial deliveries to customers will be 2 years behind schedule and have financial losses up to 6.5 BILLION Euro. I'm not sure if this is something to be very proud of. Good going, maybe you will need the good old USA to bail you out - again.
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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/9/2006 10:21:08 PM   
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Even more problems for Airbus, they can't seem to catch a break.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061009/ap_on_bi_ge/france_airbus;_ylt=AlM7NJfWjR2apvFqVTYiQCqyBhIF;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/10/2006 6:47:03 PM   
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In these situations, the guilty guys shall pay the price, not the employees. Shame on the CEO gang.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/10/2006 10:24:54 PM   
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.... but we have all become used to the French being arrogant and almost never backing it up.....


I'd not blame all the problems on "The French". After all, Airbus is owned by EADS, which is owned by the governments of 3 different countries. The internal politics of getting things done has played hob with their scheduling.

Even so, I'm nationalistic enough to be happy that Boeing's getting a goodly number of sales on the 787...shame we don't have the 5 or 6 airliner makers of several decades ago. They produced a wonderful variety of airplanes (and lovely headaches for the airlines...heheheh).



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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/12/2006 10:41:34 PM   
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In these situations, the guilty guys shall pay the price, not the employees. Shame on the CEO gang.


Actually with the reported upcoming layoffs, the employees will be paying the price too unfortunately.

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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/15/2006 3:24:13 PM   
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No where do i say the French have all the blame for the problems at Airbus, but if you take the time to look at the beginning of this thread you will see that the person from France who starts it states that: WE kick the ASS of all aircraft manufacturers. Well the fact is that they are not kicking the ass of all aircraft manufacturers and they are having huge problems right now. So before the arrogant French start boasting about kicking everyones ass they should make sure their ass isn't being kicked. Also before you accuse me of stating something I did not, please have your facts in order. With all that said, as a major partner in Airbus, the French have to share the blame weather they want to or not.
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.... but we have all become used to the French being arrogant and almost never backing it up.....


I'd not blame all the problems on "The French". After all, Airbus is owned by EADS, which is owned by the governments of 3 different countries. The internal politics of getting things done has played hob with their scheduling.

Even so, I'm nationalistic enough to be happy that Boeing's getting a goodly number of sales on the 787...shame we don't have the 5 or 6 airliner makers of several decades ago. They produced a wonderful variety of airplanes (and lovely headaches for the airlines...heheheh).




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RE: INCREDIBLE PLANE ! LOOK ! - 10/15/2006 4:19:50 PM